From lynnd at techangle.com Mon Mar 1 12:14:10 2004 From: lynnd at techangle.com (Lynn Danielson) Date: Thu Dec 20 20:27:54 2007 Subject: [CLUE-Admin] Membership wording for CLUE site In-Reply-To: <200402282054.44680.president@clue.denver.co.us> References: <20040229002138.305AF1DEACE@mail.frii.com> <200402282054.44680.president@clue.denver.co.us> Message-ID: <40438B82.9080403@techangle.com> CLUE President wrote: >Looks good to me, Jed. Thanks > Ditto -- Lynn >On Saturday 28 February 2004 5:21 pm, Jed S. Baer wrote: > > >>I've made a stab at some wording for the CLUE main page, changing the "Who >>Is CLUE?" Section at the bottom to reflect the membership program. >>Comments? >> >>Colorado Linux Users & Enthusiasts (CLUE) is the >href="http://www.linux.org/groups/">Linux User's Group (LUG) for the >>Denver metro area. Our goal is simple: we advocate the GNU/Linux operating >>system. Our advocacy is achieved by social gatherings and dissemination of >>information about GNU/Linux. >> >>Participation in CLUE is free and open to everyone. We have regular >>meetings, and provide several mailing lists for discussions about and help >>with Free and Open Source Software, and other topics of interest to Linux >>enthusiasts. Meetings are held in the Denver Tech. Center area on the >>second Tuesday of each month, and in the north metro area on the 4th >>Monday. >> >>CLUE offers annual memberships for $20/yr. In return for your support, we >>offer benefits, such as eligibility for door prizes at meetings, a CLUE >>e-mail address, and a CLUE home page. For more details, check out >href="membership.html">membership page. >> >>Whether you are new to Linux, a Linux expert, or just interested in Linux, >>please join us at our next meeting. If you cannot attend the monthly >>meetings, we also host frequent >href="installfest.html">Installfests, where CLUEbies gather to share >>knowledge about Linux installation and configuration. Finally, you can be >>involved in CLUE remotely by joining the CLUE email lists. >> >>jed >> >> > > > From crawford.rainwater at linux-etc.net Mon Mar 1 12:24:30 2004 From: crawford.rainwater at linux-etc.net (Crawford Rainwater) Date: Thu Dec 20 20:27:54 2007 Subject: [CLUE-Admin] Oracle presentation for April Message-ID: <1078169044.4181.276.camel@alpha.linux-etc.net> I email Todd Trichler (Oracle LUG rep) on the clustering idea, then noticed (via digest) the CLUE-Talk/Tech thread on Oracle on Linux (RedHat vs. SuSE vs. Debian) and asked about a possible Oracle on Linux InstallFest (which was done at the LinuxWorld Expo in NYC). >From Oracle's end, they rather do one presentation (perhaps a joint meeting of -South and -North setup) for April. If it is clustering, I can see CLUE-South location for that. If it is Oracle on Linux InstallFest, DeVry might be good for that. Open for feedback and comments. --- Crawford From dajenne at flash.net Tue Mar 2 13:21:28 2004 From: dajenne at flash.net (David A. Jenne) Date: Thu Dec 20 20:27:54 2007 Subject: [CLUE-Admin] Membership wording for CLUE site In-Reply-To: <40438B82.9080403@techangle.com> Message-ID: <200403030015.RAA06967@clue.denver.co.us> Looks good to me. I guess we'll have to increase the InstallFest frequency. Dave J. P.S. Web site down? Or is it just me? -----Original Message----- From: clue-admin-admin@clue.denver.co.us [mailto:clue-admin-admin@clue.denver.co.us] On Behalf Of Lynn Danielson Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 12:14 PM To: clue-admin@clue.denver.co.us Subject: Re: [CLUE-Admin] Membership wording for CLUE site CLUE President wrote: >Looks good to me, Jed. Thanks > Ditto -- Lynn >On Saturday 28 February 2004 5:21 pm, Jed S. Baer wrote: > > >>I've made a stab at some wording for the CLUE main page, changing the >>"Who Is CLUE?" Section at the bottom to reflect the membership program. >>Comments? >> >>Colorado Linux Users & Enthusiasts (CLUE) is the >href="http://www.linux.org/groups/">Linux User's Group (LUG) for >>the Denver metro area. Our goal is simple: we advocate the GNU/Linux >>operating system. Our advocacy is achieved by social gatherings and >>dissemination of information about GNU/Linux. >> >>Participation in CLUE is free and open to everyone. We have regular >>meetings, and provide several mailing lists for discussions about and >>help with Free and Open Source Software, and other topics of interest >>to Linux enthusiasts. Meetings are held in the Denver Tech. Center >>area on the second Tuesday of each month, and in the north metro area >>on the 4th Monday. >> >>CLUE offers annual memberships for $20/yr. In return for your support, >>we offer benefits, such as eligibility for door prizes at meetings, a >>CLUE e-mail address, and a CLUE home page. For more details, check out >>membership page. >> >>Whether you are new to Linux, a Linux expert, or just interested in >>Linux, please join us at our next meeting. If you cannot attend the >>monthly meetings, we also host frequent >href="installfest.html">Installfests, where CLUEbies gather to >>share knowledge about Linux installation and configuration. Finally, >>you can be involved in CLUE remotely by joining the CLUE >href="">email lists. >> >>jed >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ CLUE-Admin mailing list Post messages to: CLUE-Admin@clue.denver.co.us Unsubscribe or manage your options: http://clue.denver.co.us/mailman/listinfo/clue-admin From crawford.rainwater at linux-etc.net Fri Mar 5 12:40:08 2004 From: crawford.rainwater at linux-etc.net (Crawford Rainwater) Date: Thu Dec 20 20:27:54 2007 Subject: [CLUE-Admin] Oracle in April Message-ID: <1078515475.4184.39.camel@alpha.linux-etc.net> Folks, Spoke with Todd Trichler (Oracle LUG rep) today. He is await word from the presenters on which date(s) in April will work for them to do a presentation on Oracle Clustering. Also, the idea of an Oracle on Linux InstallFest was talked about, which could be done for the CLUE-North date since DeVry does have the needs and means to do such (i.e., network and internet). I should hear back from him hopefully early next week and will advise then. Thoughts and comments? --- Crawford CLUE-North Coordinator/Lackie From dajenne at flash.net Sun Mar 7 10:08:00 2004 From: dajenne at flash.net (David A. Jenne) Date: Thu Dec 20 20:27:54 2007 Subject: [CLUE-Admin] Oracle in April In-Reply-To: <1078515475.4184.39.camel@alpha.linux-etc.net> Message-ID: <200403071701.KAA32118@clue.denver.co.us> Crawford, Oracle Clustering sounds great to me. That might work well for the April 13 CLUE South meeting. An Oracle InstallFest for the North meeting would tie in nicely with that. Of course, it all depends on Oracle's schedule. Look forward to hearing back from you when the Oracle clustering presenters reply. Thanks for keeping on top of this! Dave J. -----Original Message----- From: clue-admin-admin@clue.denver.co.us [mailto:clue-admin-admin@clue.denver.co.us] On Behalf Of Crawford Rainwater Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 12:40 PM To: clue-admin@clue.denver.co.us Subject: [CLUE-Admin] Oracle in April Folks, Spoke with Todd Trichler (Oracle LUG rep) today. He is await word from the presenters on which date(s) in April will work for them to do a presentation on Oracle Clustering. Also, the idea of an Oracle on Linux InstallFest was talked about, which could be done for the CLUE-North date since DeVry does have the needs and means to do such (i.e., network and internet). I should hear back from him hopefully early next week and will advise then. Thoughts and comments? --- Crawford CLUE-North Coordinator/Lackie _______________________________________________ CLUE-Admin mailing list Post messages to: CLUE-Admin@clue.denver.co.us Unsubscribe or manage your options: http://clue.denver.co.us/mailman/listinfo/clue-admin From president at clue.denver.co.us Tue Mar 9 07:03:31 2004 From: president at clue.denver.co.us (CLUE President) Date: Thu Dec 20 20:27:54 2007 Subject: [CLUE-Admin] Admin meeting notes - 2/28 Message-ID: <200403090703.31090.president@clue.denver.co.us> Agenda and Notes: 1. Special Events (Jef Barnhart) + Jef did not attend the meeting (no rsvp). + We were supposed to have an install fest recently. + Crawford volunteered to have one at DeVry, perhaps in concert with the Oracle presentation in April. 2. Web (Jed Baer). + Jed is making progress on the new XML-based web site. + Hooked up CVS checkins to clue-dev email list. + Always looking for volunteers. 3. System Administration (Jeff Orrock). + Jeff did not attend the meeting (no rsvp). + Not sure if Jeff will be able to continue to as SA. + We need to migrate to the new server. 4. Newsletters (Zonker Brockmeier). + Joe did not attend the meeting (no rsvp). + After much discussion, we came to an epiphany: We have not given the former newsletter editors enough guidance on what is expected for the newsletter. So, Jeff will discuss with Joe to see if he is interested in continuing, under the revised (and explicit) guidelines. If not, we will again call for another editor. + Suggestions for content: - Presentation links. - Best of CLUE Tech. - Solicit content every month with an explicit deadline. - Guru Tips. - President's column each month. 5. Speakers (Dave Jenne). + Dave has lined up speakers for the next few months. 6. Sponsors (Doug Corwine). + Doug was unable to attend - he had another conflict. + Jeff needs a calendar reminder to obtain SoftPro $20 cert each month. 7. Members (Lynn Danielson). + Members have asked about benefits. + Lynn will add a membership page to the web site. + Lynn will publish membership directory (w/photos) on web site. + Lynn will send to Jeff a link for the membership directory photos to use to validate door prize entries. + Suggested benefit: - ISO mirror for members of latest distributions. -- Colorado Linux Users and Enthusiasts (CLUE) http://cluedenver.org/ Jeffery Cann, President From jef at batky-howell.com Tue Mar 9 08:22:08 2004 From: jef at batky-howell.com (Jef Barnhart) Date: Thu Dec 20 20:27:54 2007 Subject: [CLUE-Admin] Admin meeting notes - 2/28 In-Reply-To: <200403090703.31090.president@clue.denver.co.us> References: <200403090703.31090.president@clue.denver.co.us> Message-ID: <20040309082208.2ebf4e0b.jef@batky-howell.com> Sorry about that guys. I was planing on attending. Last minute this came up preventing me from going. Jef On Tue, 9 Mar 2004 07:03:31 -0700 CLUE President wrote: > Agenda and Notes: > > 1. Special Events (Jef Barnhart) > + Jef did not attend the meeting (no rsvp). > + We were supposed to have an install fest recently. > + Crawford volunteered to have one at DeVry, perhaps in concert > with the Oracle presentation in April. > > -- > Colorado Linux Users and Enthusiasts (CLUE) > http://cluedenver.org/ > Jeffery Cann, President > > _______________________________________________ > CLUE-Admin mailing list > Post messages to: CLUE-Admin@clue.denver.co.us > Unsubscribe or manage your options: > http://clue.denver.co.us/mailman/listinfo/clue-admin From crawford.rainwater at linux-etc.net Tue Mar 9 15:56:44 2004 From: crawford.rainwater at linux-etc.net (Crawford Rainwater) Date: Thu Dec 20 20:27:54 2007 Subject: [CLUE-Admin] InstallFest details Message-ID: <22897.66.25.48.211.1078873004.squirrel@linux-etc.net> Joanne has set up things at DeVry for a CLUE InstallFest for Saturday, 3 April. She is checking on a few items that we discussed with one of the techies there (in particular about using one of their lab's monitors, keyboards, and mice), but things look good to go. Also, still working on getting a possible CertFest (LPI certification exams) going for the same date. More to come on that. --- Crawford CLUE-North Coordinator/Lackie From dajenne at flash.net Wed Mar 10 14:58:18 2004 From: dajenne at flash.net (David A. Jenne) Date: Thu Dec 20 20:27:54 2007 Subject: [CLUE-Admin] Apologies Message-ID: <200403102214.PAA15622@clue.denver.co.us> Patty Laushman had the wrong date on her calendar--tonight instead of last night. She apologizes profusely for the mixup and would like to reschedule her presentation. I told her that we would like for her to present at some future meeting and that May 11 would work. If there are no objections, I recommend that we go ahead and schedule her for May. Crawford, any word yet from Oracle about an April presentation? Thanks, Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cluedenver.org/pipermail/clue-admin/attachments/20040310/37d354a3/attachment.html From crawford.rainwater at linux-etc.net Wed Mar 10 16:02:47 2004 From: crawford.rainwater at linux-etc.net (Crawford Rainwater) Date: Thu Dec 20 20:27:54 2007 Subject: [CLUE-Admin] Apologies In-Reply-To: <200403102214.PAA15622@clue.denver.co.us> References: <200403102214.PAA15622@clue.denver.co.us> Message-ID: <40150.66.25.48.211.1078959767.squirrel@linux-etc.net> David A. Jenne said: > Patty Laushman had the wrong date on her calendar--tonight instead of > last night. She apologizes profusely for the mixup and would like to > reschedule her presentation. I told her that we would like for her to > present at some future meeting and that May 11 would work. > > If there are no objections, I recommend that we go ahead and schedule > her for May. > > Crawford, any word yet from Oracle about an April presentation? > > Thanks, > Dave Still waiting to hear back from Todd Trichler at Oracle on confirmation of the Oracle on a Linux cluster presentation at this time. --- Crawford The Linux ETC Company P.M.B. 146 368 South McCaslin Boulevard Louisville, CO 80027 USA +1 (303) 604-2550 (voice) +1 (866) 604-2550 (toll free within the US) +1 (303) 664-0036 (fax) http://www.linux-etc.biz (under renovations at present) From lynnd at techangle.com Thu Mar 11 18:00:27 2004 From: lynnd at techangle.com (Lynn Danielson) Date: Thu Dec 20 20:27:54 2007 Subject: [CLUE-Admin] InstallFest details In-Reply-To: <22897.66.25.48.211.1078873004.squirrel@linux-etc.net> References: <22897.66.25.48.211.1078873004.squirrel@linux-etc.net> Message-ID: <40510BAB.1080802@techangle.com> Crawford Rainwater wrote: >Joanne has set up things at DeVry for a CLUE InstallFest for Saturday, 3 April. ... >Also, still working on getting a possible CertFest (LPI certification exams) going for the same date. More to come on that. > If you hold the certification testing on the same day as the install fest, some of us who would otherwise be willing to help out with the install fest will be focused on the certification instead. Just a thought. Another thought is that I will be on vacation from April 3rd through the 11th. Oh well. :-( Lynn From crawford.rainwater at linux-etc.net Fri Mar 12 08:12:11 2004 From: crawford.rainwater at linux-etc.net (Crawford Rainwater) Date: Thu Dec 20 20:27:54 2007 Subject: [CLUE-Admin] InstallFest details In-Reply-To: <40510BAB.1080802@techangle.com> References: <22897.66.25.48.211.1078873004.squirrel@linux-etc.net> <40510BAB.1080802@techangle.com> Message-ID: <55190.66.25.48.211.1079104331.squirrel@linux-etc.net> Lynn Danielson said: > Crawford Rainwater wrote: > >>Joanne has set up things at DeVry for a CLUE InstallFest for Saturday, >>3 April. ... Also, still working on getting a possible CertFest (LPI >>certification exams) going for the same date. More to come on that. >> > > If you hold the certification testing on the same day as the install > fest, some of us who would otherwise be willing to help out with the > install fest will be focused on the certification instead. Just a > thought. Another thought is that I will be on vacation from April 3rd > through the 11th. Oh well. :-( > The CertFest might have to wait until next time due to LPI-US is just getting things established and is still "young". I was hoping to time this along with the InstallFest coming up, but there are always other InstallFests down the road. :-) --- Crawford The Linux ETC Company P.M.B. 146 368 South McCaslin Boulevard Louisville, CO 80027 USA +1 (303) 604-2550 (voice) +1 (866) 604-2550 (toll free within the US) +1 (303) 664-0036 (fax) http://www.linux-etc.biz (under renovations at present) From thag at frii.com Sun Mar 21 11:01:59 2004 From: thag at frii.com (Jed S. Baer) Date: Thu Dec 20 20:27:54 2007 Subject: [CLUE-Admin] April Installfest Details Message-ID: <20040321180200.4AEAD1DEE8B@mail.frii.com> I need the details for the upcoming installfest in order to update the website. Start/end time Room number Availability of monitors, keyboards, cables Network access (wired/wireless) Any other specific information attendees will need to know jed -- http://s88369986.onlinehome.us/freedomsight/ ... it is poor civic hygiene to install technologies that could someday facilitate a police state. -- Bruce Schneier From thag at frii.com Sun Mar 21 11:28:46 2004 From: thag at frii.com (Jed S. Baer) Date: Thu Dec 20 20:27:54 2007 Subject: [CLUE-Admin] Apache Logs and Webalizer Message-ID: <20040321182846.E40021DFA97@mail.frii.com> On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 22:21:33 -0700 Jeff Cann wrote: > > Hmmm. Well, looking at the report for this February, I don't think the > > referer tracking is working too well. Maybe the CLUE logformat isn't > > exactly what webalizer is expecting? > > I'm not sure if referrals are turned on in the apache conf files. I looked at our httpd.conf file. The logging isn't set up the way webalizer wants it. A combined log was defined, but isn't being produced. Are we using our access logs for anything other than webalizer reports? If not, I'll change the httpd.conf to accomadate Webalizer. jed -- http://s88369986.onlinehome.us/freedomsight/ ... it is poor civic hygiene to install technologies that could someday facilitate a police state. -- Bruce Schneier From president at clue.denver.co.us Sun Mar 21 21:46:49 2004 From: president at clue.denver.co.us (CLUE President) Date: Thu Dec 20 20:27:54 2007 Subject: [CLUE-Admin] Apache Logs and Webalizer In-Reply-To: <20040321182846.E40021DFA97@mail.frii.com> References: <20040321182846.E40021DFA97@mail.frii.com> Message-ID: <200403212146.49735.president@clue.denver.co.us> On Sunday 21 March 2004 11:28 am, Jed S. Baer wrote: > Are we using our access logs for anything other than webalizer reports? nope > If not, I'll change the httpd.conf to accomadate Webalizer. thanks -- Colorado Linux Users and Enthusiasts (CLUE) http://cluedenver.org/ Jeffery Cann, President From thag at frii.com Mon Mar 22 11:45:00 2004 From: thag at frii.com (Jed S. Baer) Date: Thu Dec 20 20:27:54 2007 Subject: [CLUE-Admin] Installfest Page Updated Message-ID: <20040322184507.75EDC1DEF19@mail.frii.com> Please let me know if there are any corrections or additions. http://clue.denver.co.us/installfest.html -- http://s88369986.onlinehome.us/freedomsight/ ... it is poor civic hygiene to install technologies that could someday facilitate a police state. -- Bruce Schneier From crawford.rainwater at linux-etc.net Mon Mar 22 12:59:59 2004 From: crawford.rainwater at linux-etc.net (Crawford Rainwater) Date: Thu Dec 20 20:27:54 2007 Subject: [CLUE-Admin] Installfest Page Updated In-Reply-To: <20040322184507.75EDC1DEF19@mail.frii.com> References: <20040322184507.75EDC1DEF19@mail.frii.com> Message-ID: <50860.68.166.118.155.1079985599.squirrel@linux-etc.net> Looks good to me. Thanks! On the Admin side, who will be available to help out in general and with newbies? I recall Lynn will be out of town, Dave Pitts might be working (he works Saturdays), so some extra folks would be extremely appreciated. BTW, Krispy Kreme is down the street. ;-) --- Crawford Jed S. Baer said: > Please let me know if there are any corrections or additions. > > http://clue.denver.co.us/installfest.html > > -- > http://s88369986.onlinehome.us/freedomsight/ > > ... it is poor civic hygiene to install technologies that could someday > facilitate a police state. -- Bruce Schneier > _______________________________________________ > CLUE-Admin mailing list > Post messages to: CLUE-Admin@clue.denver.co.us > Unsubscribe or manage your options: > http://clue.denver.co.us/mailman/listinfo/clue-admin The Linux ETC Company P.M.B. 146 368 South McCaslin Boulevard Louisville, CO 80027 USA +1 (303) 604-2550 (voice) +1 (866) 604-2550 (toll free within the US) +1 (303) 664-0036 (fax) http://www.linux-etc.biz (under renovations at present) From crawford.rainwater at linux-etc.net Tue Mar 23 10:05:52 2004 From: crawford.rainwater at linux-etc.net (Crawford Rainwater) Date: Thu Dec 20 20:27:54 2007 Subject: [CLUE-Admin] Oracle presentation update Message-ID: <33714.68.166.118.155.1080061552.squirrel@linux-etc.net> Folks, From crawford.rainwater at linux-etc.net Tue Mar 23 10:11:11 2004 From: crawford.rainwater at linux-etc.net (Crawford Rainwater) Date: Thu Dec 20 20:27:54 2007 Subject: [CLUE-Admin] InstallFest extra: CD ISO server use potentially Message-ID: <33751.68.166.118.155.1080061871.squirrel@linux-etc.net> We (Linux ETC) recently acquired a (used) 28 bay SCSI CD-ROM server, which will be tested this week. Pending its functionality, we could bring it to the InstallFest along with a separate WAP and switch (isolate it from DeVry's network to conserve bandwidth at their request) and load it up with various CD ISO images (just one section, which would be 14 bays) so that folks can DL and burn his/her own copies. I am thinking on the following distros, open to comments: - Knoppix 3.3 or 3.4 (1 disc) - MandrakeMove (1 disc) - Mandrake 10 (3 discs) - SuSE (disc 1 only, you can redirect the install to go off the web after a base with YaST)- Debian 3.0r0 (disc 1, same deal as SuSE save via apt-get) - RedHat 9.0 (3 discs) Any other thoughts or recommendations? Save burning Mandrake 10 and Knoppix 3.4, I have the rest on CD at present. --- Crawford The Linux ETC Company P.M.B. 146 368 South McCaslin Boulevard Louisville, CO 80027 USA +1 (303) 604-2550 (voice) +1 (866) 604-2550 (toll free within the US) +1 (303) 664-0036 (fax) http://www.linux-etc.biz (under renovations at present) From skipworthy at realivetech.com Wed Mar 24 15:26:16 2004 From: skipworthy at realivetech.com (Skipworthy) Date: Thu Dec 20 20:27:54 2007 Subject: [CLUE-Admin] InstallFest extra: CD ISO server use potentially Message-ID: Crawford- I may not be able to make it to the installfest, but my .02c anyway... What about a lighter-weight distro for older boxes or laptops? How about a CD with updated libraries and some alternative window managers? How about Open Office? alternatice browsers? Maybe that's a bit advanced, but if you've got the drives, why not have some stuff like that available locally? Glen > We (Linux ETC) recently acquired a (used) 28 bay SCSI CD-ROM server, which > will be tested this week. Pending its functionality, we could bring it to > the InstallFest along with a separate WAP and switch (isolate it from > DeVry's network to conserve bandwidth at their request) and load it up > with various CD ISO images (just one section, which would be 14 bays) so > that folks can DL and burn his/her own copies. > I am thinking on the following distros, open to comments: > - Knoppix 3.3 or 3.4 (1 disc) > - MandrakeMove (1 disc) > - Mandrake 10 (3 discs) > - SuSE (disc 1 only, you can redirect the install to go off the web after > a base with YaST)- Debian 3.0r0 (disc 1, same deal as SuSE save via apt-get) > - RedHat 9.0 (3 discs) > > Any other thoughts or recommendations? Save burning Mandrake 10 and > Knoppix 3.4, I have the rest on CD at present. > --- Crawford > > The Linux ETC Company > P.M.B. 146 > 368 South McCaslin Boulevard > Louisville, CO 80027 USA > +1 (303) 604-2550 (voice) > +1 (866) 604-2550 (toll free within the US) > +1 (303) 664-0036 (fax) > http://www.linux-etc.biz (under renovations at present) > > > _______________________________________________ > CLUE-Admin mailing list > Post messages to: CLUE-Admin@clue.denver.co.us > Unsubscribe or manage your options: http://clue.denver.co.us/mailman/listinfo/clue-admin > > -- From crawford.rainwater at linux-etc.net Wed Mar 24 16:18:23 2004 From: crawford.rainwater at linux-etc.net (Crawford Rainwater) Date: Thu Dec 20 20:27:54 2007 Subject: [CLUE-Admin] InstallFest extra: CD ISO server use potentially In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44411.68.166.118.155.1080170303.squirrel@linux-etc.net> Skipworthy said: > > Crawford- > > I may not be able to make it to the installfest, but my .02c anyway... > > What about a lighter-weight distro for older boxes or laptops? How > about a CD with updated libraries and some alternative window managers? > How about Open Office? alternatice browsers? > > Maybe that's a bit advanced, but if you've got the drives, why not have > some stuff like that available locally? > > Glen > Most distros have those packaged with them or you can easily grab the source from the net. DeVry will be allowing us to use their network out to the internet which will permit that, and the packages and libraries you gave as examples are typically smaller (10MB to 25MB kernel images) in comparison to full distros (~700MB CDs). DeVry though they are allowing us to use the internet connectivity, they would like to not have everyone go out and try to download large files (e.g., distro ISO images), hence the possible use of the CD-ROM rack here. --- Crawford The Linux ETC Company P.M.B. 146 368 South McCaslin Boulevard Louisville, CO 80027 USA +1 (303) 604-2550 (voice) +1 (866) 604-2550 (toll free within the US) +1 (303) 664-0036 (fax) http://www.linux-etc.biz (under renovations at present) From wft at frii.com Wed Mar 24 18:52:28 2004 From: wft at frii.com (Gus S.Calabrese) Date: Thu Dec 20 20:27:54 2007 Subject: [CLUE-Admin] InstallFest extra: CD ISO server use potentially In-Reply-To: <44411.68.166.118.155.1080170303.squirrel@linux-etc.net> References: <44411.68.166.118.155.1080170303.squirrel@linux-etc.net> Message-ID: <127F6D86-7DFF-11D8-8FC2-003065EECE16@frii.com> Well how hard is it to put a CD in and make it available ? and then remove it and make something else available ? Sort of like a K-mart blue light special.... On Mar 24, 2004, at 4:18 PM, Crawford Rainwater wrote: Skipworthy said: > > Crawford- > > I may not be able to make it to the installfest, but my .02c anyway... > > What about a lighter-weight distro for older boxes or laptops? How > about a CD with updated libraries and some alternative window managers? > How about Open Office? alternatice browsers? > > Maybe that's a bit advanced, but if you've got the drives, why not have > some stuff like that available locally? > > Glen > Most distros have those packaged with them or you can easily grab the source from the net. DeVry will be allowing us to use their network out to the internet which will permit that, and the packages and libraries you gave as examples are typically smaller (10MB to 25MB kernel images) in comparison to full distros (~700MB CDs). DeVry though they are allowing us to use the internet connectivity, they would like to not have everyone go out and try to download large files (e.g., distro ISO images), hence the possible use of the CD-ROM rack here. --- Crawford The Linux ETC Company P.M.B. 146 368 South McCaslin Boulevard Louisville, CO 80027 USA +1 (303) 604-2550 (voice) +1 (866) 604-2550 (toll free within the US) +1 (303) 664-0036 (fax) http://www.linux-etc.biz (under renovations at present) _______________________________________________ CLUE-Admin mailing list Post messages to: CLUE-Admin@clue.denver.co.us Unsubscribe or manage your options: http://clue.denver.co.us/mailman/listinfo/clue-admin From dajenne at flash.net Thu Mar 25 14:29:32 2004 From: dajenne at flash.net (David A. Jenne) Date: Thu Dec 20 20:27:54 2007 Subject: [CLUE-Admin] Oracle presentation update In-Reply-To: <33714.68.166.118.155.1080061552.squirrel@linux-etc.net> Message-ID: <200403252120.OAA01255@clue.denver.co.us> Todd, This is good news. How long do you think the presentation will be? (In other words, will we have time for a KISS session too?) Dave -----Original Message----- From: clue-admin-admin@clue.denver.co.us [mailto:clue-admin-admin@clue.denver.co.us] On Behalf Of Crawford Rainwater Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 10:06 AM To: clue-admin@clue.denver.co.us Cc: clue-north-admin@clue.denver.co.us Subject: [CLUE-Admin] Oracle presentation update Folks, From crawford.rainwater at linux-etc.net Thu Mar 25 22:26:32 2004 From: crawford.rainwater at linux-etc.net (Crawford Rainwater) Date: Thu Dec 20 20:27:54 2007 Subject: [CLUE-Admin] Oracle presentation update In-Reply-To: <200403252120.OAA01255@clue.denver.co.us> References: <33714.68.166.118.155.1080061552.squirrel@linux-etc.net> <200403252120.OAA01255@clue.denver.co.us> Message-ID: <57232.68.166.118.155.1080278792.squirrel@linux-etc.net> Dave, Todd is not on the CLUE-Admin email list for reference. ;-) I will forward your inquiry to him though. --- Crawford David A. Jenne said: > Todd, > > This is good news. How long do you think the presentation will be? > (In other words, will we have time for a KISS session too?) > > Dave > > -----Original Message----- > From: clue-admin-admin@clue.denver.co.us > [mailto:clue-admin-admin@clue.denver.co.us] On Behalf Of Crawford > Rainwater Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 10:06 AM > To: clue-admin@clue.denver.co.us > Cc: clue-north-admin@clue.denver.co.us > Subject: [CLUE-Admin] Oracle presentation update > > Folks, > > From Todd Trichler, they will have someone from the Oracle Linux Kernel > team to do a presentation on 13 April for CLUE(-South). I emailed him > back for some more specifics, but I am guessing it will be along the > Oracle on Linux cluster theme. More to come once I hear back from Todd > (who is waiting to hear back from the team management on who is coming > out). > For CLUE-North, it will be an Oracle on Linux InstallFest on 26 April. > Oracle will be treating to pizza as well as Oracle 10g on CD. > --- Crawford > > The Linux ETC Company > P.M.B. 146 > 368 South McCaslin Boulevard > Louisville, CO 80027 USA > +1 (303) 604-2550 (voice) > +1 (866) 604-2550 (toll free within the US) > +1 (303) 664-0036 (fax) > http://www.linux-etc.biz (under renovations at present) > > > _______________________________________________ > CLUE-Admin mailing list > Post messages to: CLUE-Admin@clue.denver.co.us Unsubscribe or manage > your options: http://clue.denver.co.us/mailman/listinfo/clue-admin > > _______________________________________________ > CLUE-Admin mailing list > Post messages to: CLUE-Admin@clue.denver.co.us > Unsubscribe or manage your options: > http://clue.denver.co.us/mailman/listinfo/clue-admin The Linux ETC Company P.M.B. 146 368 South McCaslin Boulevard Louisville, CO 80027 USA +1 (303) 604-2550 (voice) +1 (866) 604-2550 (toll free within the US) +1 (303) 664-0036 (fax) http://www.linux-etc.biz (under renovations at present) From crawford.rainwater at linux-etc.net Tue Mar 30 15:05:25 2004 From: crawford.rainwater at linux-etc.net (Crawford Rainwater) Date: Thu Dec 20 20:27:54 2007 Subject: [CLUE-Admin] Update on Oracle presentation for April Message-ID: <1080683721.4159.3.camel@alpha.linux-etc.net> Folks, Spoke with Todd Trichler (Oracle) today. He is awaiting a bio and an abstract from Oracle's Linux kernel team for the main presentation. Todd also offered to do a KISS session of Oracle's involvement with Linux as well. Once he gets both of them, he will forward them to myself and/or CLUE for the web site announcements. For both presentations, would it be possible for some sort of internet connectivity at the CLUE(-South) site (cable or WiFi)? This would help make the presentations a little more interesting per Todd. Thanks in advance. --- Crawford CLUE-North Coordinator/Lackie From thag at frii.com Wed Mar 31 14:02:29 2004 From: thag at frii.com (Jed S. Baer) Date: Thu Dec 20 20:27:54 2007 Subject: [CLUE-Admin] webserver maintenence notes Message-ID: <20040331210230.3E5B81DFB64@mail.frii.com> Today I'm hoping to get Webalizer reporting referers properly. And also do some other web maintenance I've discovered. I compressed the old logfiles. Changed the logfile format and restarted the webserver. Started a new logfile, and ran webalizer on the previous one. I was hoping to integrate monthly runs of webalizer with log rotations, but can't find any evidence, other than /var/log/messages is a small file, that logrotate is running. My basic idea is to run webalizer in conjunction with a monthly web log rotation. Webalizer would be configured to run in "incremental" mode, and would run on the most recent rotated logfile, as part of the postrotate command set. My only hesitation is that I don't want to stomp on something I haven't discovered. My "least likely to stomp" option is to put a logrotate command into /var/spool/cron/root, the logrotate conf file for Apache logs in /var/apache/conf, and tell the "rogue" logrotate command to use that conf file. But I hate to put non-standard processing into the mix. This is mitigated by the upcoming migration to the new server, though (isn't it), where, presumably, normal logrotate processing is running (I thought I'd check, but I can't ssh to the new box @216.38.34.198 -- has its address changed? Can't ping it either.) Any thoughts? jed -- http://s88369986.onlinehome.us/freedomsight/ ... it is poor civic hygiene to install technologies that could someday facilitate a police state. -- Bruce Schneier From president at clue.denver.co.us Wed Mar 31 15:53:31 2004 From: president at clue.denver.co.us (CLUE President) Date: Thu Dec 20 20:27:54 2007 Subject: [CLUE-Admin] webserver maintenence notes In-Reply-To: <20040331210230.3E5B81DFB64@mail.frii.com> References: <20040331210230.3E5B81DFB64@mail.frii.com> Message-ID: <200403311553.36023.president@clue.denver.co.us> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 31 March 2004 2:02 pm, Jed S. Baer wrote: > Any thoughts? Logrotate is not running on the http access file - it contains every access record since we fired up this server. I agree that setting up logrotate + incremental webalizer is a good idea. I'm not sure if we are using incremental (-p) switch already. Check the /etc/webalizer.conf (if exists) or root's crontab. Jeff - -- Colorado Linux Users and Enthusiasts (CLUE) http://cluedenver.org/ Jeffery Cann, President -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAa0vu8E9qvtPugKYRAt0XAJwJzuq25g1OdT+phgpsuWboh7UcyQCdEEzm 4skGozfuXh0KPmnST3aAF7I= =mKqV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From thag at frii.com Wed Mar 31 16:45:06 2004 From: thag at frii.com (Jed S. Baer) Date: Thu Dec 20 20:27:54 2007 Subject: [CLUE-Admin] webserver maintenence notes In-Reply-To: <200403311553.36023.president@clue.denver.co.us> References: <20040331210230.3E5B81DFB64@mail.frii.com> <200403311553.36023.president@clue.denver.co.us> Message-ID: <20040331234507.6A2201DF276@mail.frii.com> On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 15:53:31 -0700 CLUE President wrote: > Logrotate is not running on the http access file - it contains every > access record since we fired up this server. That much I figured out. ;-) The question is, whether it's running at all. If so, the proper thing for me to do is hook into it with an appropriate conf file in /etc/logrotate.d/, but I won't create such a file without being certain of how (if) logrotate is being invoked. > I agree that setting up logrotate + incremental webalizer is a good > idea. I'm not sure if we are using incremental (-p) switch already. > Check the /etc/webalizer.conf (if exists) Nope. > or root's crontab. No -p switch on the invocation. jed -- http://s88369986.onlinehome.us/freedomsight/ ... it is poor civic hygiene to install technologies that could someday facilitate a police state. -- Bruce Schneier From thag at frii.com Wed Mar 31 17:48:18 2004 From: thag at frii.com (Jed S. Baer) Date: Thu Dec 20 20:27:55 2007 Subject: [CLUE-Admin] webserver maintenence notes In-Reply-To: <200403311553.36023.president@clue.denver.co.us> References: <20040331210230.3E5B81DFB64@mail.frii.com> <200403311553.36023.president@clue.denver.co.us> Message-ID: <20040401004819.0958C1E00B8@mail.frii.com> On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 15:53:31 -0700 CLUE President wrote: > Logrotate is not running on the http access file - it contains every > access record since we fired up this server. And that brings to mind the question of why we're saving access logs from 2000 forward. Here's my proposed config (to put in place tonight, before this month's webalizer cron runs). [webalizer.conf] LogFile /var/apache/logs/access_log.1.gz OutputDir /var/apache/htdocs/admin/webalizer Quiet yes PageType htm* PageType cgi PageType pl PageType php* MangleAgents 1 Incremental yes HideSite clue.denver.co.us HideSite cluedenver.org HideSite localhost HideReferrer clue.denver.co.us HideReferrer cluedenver.org HideReferrer Direct Request HideURL *.gif HideURL *.GIF HideURL *.jpg HideURL *.JPG HideURL *.png HideURL *.PNG [logrotate-httpd.conf] /var/apache/logs/access_log /var/apache/logs/error_log { monthly rotate 6 missingok compress sharedscripts postrotate /var/apache/bin/apachectl graceful /usr/local/bin/webalizer endscript } Then the cron job would do: /usr/sbin/logrotate /path/to/logrotate-httpd.conf The last assumes logrotate isn't running as a regular nightly job, and the logrotate conf for httpd file will go someplace where logrotate won't find it, if it gets fired up some other way (i.e. looking for /etc/logrotate.d/) Also, this assumes we don't keep more than 6 months of Apache logs. Anybody wants to keep them longer, I'll whip up a shell script to archive them with a datestamped filename. jed -- http://s88369986.onlinehome.us/freedomsight/ ... it is poor civic hygiene to install technologies that could someday facilitate a police state. -- Bruce Schneier From president at clue.denver.co.us Wed Mar 31 18:42:27 2004 From: president at clue.denver.co.us (CLUE President) Date: Thu Dec 20 20:27:55 2007 Subject: [CLUE-Admin] webserver maintenence notes In-Reply-To: <20040401004819.0958C1E00B8@mail.frii.com> References: <20040331210230.3E5B81DFB64@mail.frii.com> <200403311553.36023.president@clue.denver.co.us> <20040401004819.0958C1E00B8@mail.frii.com> Message-ID: <200403311842.34056.president@clue.denver.co.us> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 31 March 2004 5:48 pm, Jed S. Baer wrote: > On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 15:53:31 -0700 > > CLUE President wrote: > > Logrotate is not running on the http access file - it contains every > > access record since we fired up this server. > > And that brings to mind the question of why we're saving access logs from > 2000 forward. No reason other than no one hooked up logrotate. > Also, this assumes we don't keep more than 6 months of Apache logs. > Anybody wants to keep them longer, I'll whip up a shell script to archive > them with a datestamped filename. I used to think there was some value in keeping old logs. We have never looked at them or really needed them. The one think I think you should consider is that webalizer generates a 12 month view. Perhaps you can change it to a 6 month view or keep 12 months of logs? Thanks for cleaning this up, Jed. Jeff - -- Colorado Linux Users and Enthusiasts (CLUE) http://cluedenver.org/ Jeffery Cann, President -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAa3OG8E9qvtPugKYRAilWAJ9P170q0rJy97zIziqA2hsYS3WPwQCfd7qK PNCszIrMWOYBdEkuZlAZ+rY= =bnSk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From thag at frii.com Wed Mar 31 20:16:30 2004 From: thag at frii.com (Jed S. Baer) Date: Thu Dec 20 20:27:55 2007 Subject: [CLUE-Admin] webserver maintenence notes In-Reply-To: <200403311842.34056.president@clue.denver.co.us> References: <20040331210230.3E5B81DFB64@mail.frii.com> <200403311553.36023.president@clue.denver.co.us> <20040401004819.0958C1E00B8@mail.frii.com> <200403311842.34056.president@clue.denver.co.us> Message-ID: <20040401031631.D30A01DF705@mail.frii.com> On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 18:42:27 -0700 CLUE President wrote: > I used to think there was some value in keeping old logs. We have never > looked at them or really needed them. The one think I think you should > consider is that webalizer generates a 12 month view. Perhaps you can > change it to a 6 month view or keep 12 months of logs? I didn't see anything in the Webalizer README about being able to restrict the time frame. Or, for that matter, whether it deletes any of those static pages it generates, which are older than 12 months. OK, looking at the webalizer output dir, I see stuff going back more than 12 months. I also see that someone was archiving reports from prior years. The only way I can think of to recreate that for 2003 would be to edit the prior access log, and cut the 2003 out of it, and feed it back through webalizer. Does anyone see a need to do that? As long as Webalizer doesn't shoot itself in the foot, and mess up the prior month's report when it's generating a new one in incremental mode, I don't really even see a need to keep 6 months of raw logs. That's really just a safety margin, so that if I mess things up in webalizer's config, I can recreate things. But once I'm sure webalizer is behaving the way I think it does, it's hard for me to argue for keeping more than a couple a months' back logs. jed -- http://s88369986.onlinehome.us/freedomsight/ ... it is poor civic hygiene to install technologies that could someday facilitate a police state. -- Bruce Schneier From anselmi at anselmi.us Wed Mar 31 20:37:29 2004 From: anselmi at anselmi.us (David Anselmi) Date: Thu Dec 20 20:27:55 2007 Subject: [CLUE-Admin] webserver maintenence notes In-Reply-To: <20040331234507.6A2201DF276@mail.frii.com> References: <20040331210230.3E5B81DFB64@mail.frii.com> <200403311553.36023.president@clue.denver.co.us> <20040331234507.6A2201DF276@mail.frii.com> Message-ID: <406B8E79.7030304@anselmi.us> Jed S. Baer wrote: > On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 15:53:31 -0700 > CLUE President wrote: > >>Logrotate is not running on the http access file - it contains every >>access record since we fired up this server. > > That much I figured out. ;-) > > The question is, whether it's running at all. Looks like it is since /etc/cron.daily/logrotate has this: /usr/sbin/logrotate /etc/logrotate.conf So you can put a conf snippet in /etc/logrotate.d to rotate what you need. If you want to be sure, edit the cron file to add -v to logrotate, make sure root is an alias for you're email address (in /etc/aliases) and see if you get a message with the output when the cron job runs. Webalizer used to send me a mail (daily IIRC) saying it failed because it was misconfigured. It hasn't in a while. Shame to spend any time on this system when we have a spiffy new (well, needs updating by now) system in the wings. I feel bad that never went live, wish I had time to help put it up. Have our official sysadmins bailed or are they just too busy to tackle a migration? If they've bailed, who's going to keep the box(en) running (Jed, by default?) Perhaps those interested/stuck with the job could get together on a weekend and make the migration happen so we're plugging the new dike rather than the old. I could probably come out for a day (mini-installfest kind of party), especially if someone had a little bit of a plan worked out. Sorry again I can't help more. Dave From thag at frii.com Wed Mar 31 21:37:51 2004 From: thag at frii.com (Jed S. Baer) Date: Thu Dec 20 20:27:55 2007 Subject: [CLUE-Admin] webserver maintenence notes In-Reply-To: <406B8E79.7030304@anselmi.us> References: <20040331210230.3E5B81DFB64@mail.frii.com> <200403311553.36023.president@clue.denver.co.us> <20040331234507.6A2201DF276@mail.frii.com> <406B8E79.7030304@anselmi.us> Message-ID: <20040401043752.13D911E0061@mail.frii.com> On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 20:37:29 -0700 David Anselmi wrote: > > The question is, whether it's running at all. > > Looks like it is since /etc/cron.daily/logrotate has this: > > /usr/sbin/logrotate /etc/logrotate.conf Now how did I miss that? I swear when I was looking for this, all I could see was cron.weekly. I couldn't believe it. Thanks for the second pair of eyes. jed -- http://s88369986.onlinehome.us/freedomsight/ ... it is poor civic hygiene to install technologies that could someday facilitate a police state. -- Bruce Schneier From thag at frii.com Wed Mar 31 21:55:28 2004 From: thag at frii.com (Jed S. Baer) Date: Thu Dec 20 20:27:55 2007 Subject: [CLUE-Admin] webserver maintenence notes In-Reply-To: <406B8E79.7030304@anselmi.us> References: <20040331210230.3E5B81DFB64@mail.frii.com> <200403311553.36023.president@clue.denver.co.us> <20040331234507.6A2201DF276@mail.frii.com> <406B8E79.7030304@anselmi.us> Message-ID: <20040401045529.BBE271DFAF1@mail.frii.com> On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 20:37:29 -0700 David Anselmi wrote: > make > sure root is an alias for you're email address (in /etc/aliases) and see > if you get a message with the output when the cron job runs. Nah, I wouldn't want Jeff to have cow when he doesn't get his daily dose of cron output mail. I'm sure he'll notify me if it barfs. And I'll check on things in the morning anyway. jed -- http://s88369986.onlinehome.us/freedomsight/ ... it is poor civic hygiene to install technologies that could someday facilitate a police state. -- Bruce Schneier From thag at frii.com Wed Mar 31 22:04:20 2004 From: thag at frii.com (Jed S. Baer) Date: Thu Dec 20 20:27:55 2007 Subject: [CLUE-Admin] webserver maintenence notes In-Reply-To: <406B8E79.7030304@anselmi.us> References: <20040331210230.3E5B81DFB64@mail.frii.com> <200403311553.36023.president@clue.denver.co.us> <20040331234507.6A2201DF276@mail.frii.com> <406B8E79.7030304@anselmi.us> Message-ID: <20040401050421.784CF1DE916@mail.frii.com> On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 20:37:29 -0700 David Anselmi wrote: > Perhaps those interested/stuck with the job could get together on a > weekend and make the migration happen so we're plugging the new dike > rather than the old. I could probably come out for a day > (mini-installfest kind of party), especially if someone had a little bit > of a plan worked out. Well, we do have a plan. It's just a matter of executing it. IIRC, Jeff was planning on following up with this, and perhaps he's gotten snowed under with other things. If it comes down to a few folks heading over to Techangle and just doing it, I'm up for it. Dunno about weekend access, though. I feel pretty constrained by dialup speeds from doing too much heavy lifting from home. > Sorry again I can't help more. No need to apologize, Dave. You've done plenty. jed -- http://s88369986.onlinehome.us/freedomsight/ ... it is poor civic hygiene to install technologies that could someday facilitate a police state. -- Bruce Schneier From thag at frii.com Wed Mar 31 22:09:17 2004 From: thag at frii.com (Jed S. Baer) Date: Thu Dec 20 20:27:55 2007 Subject: [CLUE-Admin] webserver maintenence notes In-Reply-To: <20040331210230.3E5B81DFB64@mail.frii.com> References: <20040331210230.3E5B81DFB64@mail.frii.com> Message-ID: <20040401050918.43D861DEB73@mail.frii.com> On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 14:02:29 -0700 "Jed S. Baer" wrote: > Today I'm hoping to get Webalizer reporting referers properly. And also > do some other web maintenance I've discovered. OK, this is all setup now. *Should* work fine. Changes: added http to /etc/logrotate.d invokes webalizer after logs are rotated created /etc/webalizer.conf reads most recently rotated access_log commented out webalizer command in /var/spool/cron/root (yes, I used 'crontab -e') I'll check on things in the AM. But if someone who gets up a lot earlier than I wants to do a quick check that Apache is still running, that might be something to do. Not that I expect it to fail to restart, just prudence, ya know. jed -- http://s88369986.onlinehome.us/freedomsight/ ... it is poor civic hygiene to install technologies that could someday facilitate a police state. -- Bruce Schneier