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class=355254017-29072004>Admins</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=355254017-29072004>I'm trying to get speakers lined up for August
10. I've made contact with a couple of possibles, but have not been able
to get them to confirm. Any ideas or volunteers?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=355254017-29072004>Also, I'm not sure how to respond or whether to respond
to the lecture below.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=355254017-29072004>Thanks,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=355254017-29072004>David J</SPAN></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> George Sexton
[mailto:gsexton@mhsoftware.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 29, 2004 11:09
AM<BR><B>To:</B> dajenne@flash.net<BR><B>Cc:</B>
dcorwine@yahoo.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: Possible CLUE
presentation<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2>David,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2>Just for your general fund of information, Kylix is a
commerical application as well. I really don't understand the criteria you folks
apply. Looking at the 2003 schedule, I can see presentations by IBM, and Intel.
The March 2004 session was on Sun's Java Desktop. Since my software runs on
Linux w/ PostgreSQL, it should be at least as relevant as Linux running on IBM
hardware.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><FONT color=#0000ff><SPAN
class=049563816-29072004>As far as a sponsorship goes, </SPAN>y<SPAN
class=049563816-29072004>ou don't have much of an understanding how the industry
works. Sponsors expect something in return, namely the ability to
demonstrate their software to a captive audience. To me, a sponsorship falls
under the heading of advertising. Say I "sponsor" by picking up the tab for
pizza. I spend around $100. Using Google Ads, I can get 2-300 visitors to
my web site. If the extent of my "sponsorship" is a mention, and a link on the
web site it's not very effective is it? If on the other hand, I can demonstrate
my software to 40 people for an hour, then I can probably get at least one sale
to make up some of my time and expense.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2>At a deeper level, this demonstrates why commercial vendors
don't want to port their applications to Linux. When the whole community has a
purist attitude why bother? Take a look at my niche. Calendar software. Most of
the stuff out their totally sucks. What doesn't suck has really bad
documentation, and no support. Some of the stuff is just broken, and when you
point it out, they say things like: "We have no intention of fixing this broken
item unless you want to donate the code...", which in my mind equates to "We
looked at it, and it would be pretty hard, and no one feels like fixing
it".</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=049563816-29072004><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Anyhow, I'm not going to go into a major "Stallman is a
nutcase" tirade, other than to say for someone who has never existed outside of
academia, he has some pretty advanced ideas on business. I'd love to see him put
them in action.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<P><FONT size=2>George Sexton<BR>MH Software, Inc.<BR><A
href="http://www.mhsoftware.com/">http://www.mhsoftware.com/</A><BR>Voice: 303
438 9585<BR> </FONT> </P>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> David A. Jenne
[mailto:dajenne@flash.net] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 29, 2004 10:15
AM<BR><B>To:</B> 'George Sexton'<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: Possible CLUE
presentation<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2>George,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2>Thanks for responding. It looks to me as though
your calendar program is a commercial app. The CLUE policy is
to restrict presentations to Linux or open source topics. If you
have any ideas for presentations along these lines, we would certainly be
interested.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=561115915-29072004><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>We also welcome commercial sponsors. If interested,
please contact Doug Corwine; follow his link at <A
href="http://clue.denver.co.us/sponsors.html">http://clue.denver.co.us/sponsors.html</A></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=561115915-29072004><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Thanks for your interest,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=561115915-29072004><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2><B><FONT face="Arial Narrow" color=#000080 size=4>David
A. Jenne</FONT></B> <BR><SPAN class=561115915-29072004>Speaker
Coordinator, CLUE--Colorado Linux Users and Enthusiasts</SPAN></DIV>
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<P><B>720-482-2554</B> <BR><B>EMAIL:</B> <A
href="mailto:dajenne@flash.net"><U><FONT
face="Times New Roman">mailto:dajenne@flash.net</FONT></U></A><B></B>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> George Sexton
[mailto:gsexton@mhsoftware.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, July 26, 2004 3:50
PM<BR><B>To:</B> dajenne@flash.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: Possible CLUE
presentation<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=904454821-26072004><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>David,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=904454821-26072004><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>As much as I like Kylix, I think that Borland has written
it off. There have been no upgrades or announcements for over two years now.
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=904454821-26072004><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>If you want, I have a web calendar app that I can show
off. The URL below links to it.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<P><FONT size=2>George Sexton<BR>MH Software, Inc.<BR><A
href="http://www.mhsoftware.com/">http://www.mhsoftware.com/</A><BR>Voice: 303
438 9585<BR> </FONT> </P>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> David A. Jenne
[mailto:dajenne@flash.net] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, July 23, 2004 11:01
AM<BR><B>To:</B> gsexton@mhsoftware.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Possible CLUE
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<P><FONT face=Arial size=2>George,</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2>I am the new speaker coordinator for CLUE,
Colorado Linux Users and Enthusiasts. Your name came in connection
with Kylix (have I got that right?) as a possible speaker at some future
meeting.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2>Please let me know whether you would be willing
to give a presentation and your topic. We have open dates beginning
with the August 10 meeting. Meetings are held on the second Tuesday of
every month, beginning at 6:30 p.m. at the Radisson Southeast Denver.
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<P><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thank you.</FONT> </P>
<P><B><FONT face="Arial Narrow" color=#000080 size=4>David A.
Jenne</FONT></B> <BR><FONT face="Times New Roman"> </FONT> <BR><B><FONT
face=Arial size=2>720-482-2554</FONT></B> <BR><B><FONT face=Arial
size=2>EMAIL:</FONT></B> <A href="mailto:dajenne@flash.net"><U><FONT
face="Times New Roman"
color=#0000ff>mailto:dajenne@flash.net</FONT></U></A><B></B> <BR><B><FONT
face=Arial size=2>WEB:</FONT></B> <A
href="http://www.geocities.com/dajenne@flash.net"><U><FONT
face="Times New Roman"
color=#0000ff>http://www.geocities.com/dajenne@flash.net</FONT></U></A><B></B>
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