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Thus spoke Lynn Danielson
> Steve Ekwall wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > just a quick question (newbie here - haven't checked the archives)
> >
> > I just read in the Rocky Mountain News (sept 19, 00, pg38A/_39A_):
> >
> > "..In fact, some users of Linux, a free operating system that competes
> > with Microsoft Windows, say they currently are able to send instant
> > messages to AOL users. AOL didn't respond to queries about the Linux
> > users' claims. <br>
This is true these days, as AOL has released their own AOL Instant
Messenger for Linux product (downloadable for free).
> > In September 1998, AOL posted on the Web its technical
> > specifications for how to write a Linux program that works with
> > AOL's message system. AOL ~removed~ the posting in July 1999, when
> > the battle over instant messaging began to heat up. AOL says it
> > took it down because it was being used commercially instead of by
> > computer hobbyists......."
> > <END quote>
> >
> > Question is this still available? .. is it under some prog. name on
> > my current Caldera Linux 2.3 CD files? or RedHat 6.1 ??
gaim was one such program. I think there was another as well. But unless
you really want source code, you could just get the AOL version. It seems
to work just fine (though I'm not a heavy AIM user).
More info (I think) is at http://www.aol.com/aim.
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Patrick works at Sun with Star Office and is helping port SO to Mac.
Here is his comments.
Kevin
Patrick Luby wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> For those who are interested, here is the current status of OpenOffice on both
> Mac OS 9 and X:
>
> Mac OS 9
> --------
>
> As mentioned in the OpenOffice build FAQ, Sun had to make changes to the build
> environment that has been used by StarOffice developers to make OpenOffice
> buildable. The build environment used by StarOffice developers was ported to Mac
> OS 9 a few months ago. Since no one inside of Sun is actively working on a Mac
> OS 9 port, this build environment has not been modified to work for OpenOffice.
>
> In any case, the last time I actually tried building on Mac OS 9, only a few
> files in the sal module actually compiles as very little of the current
> OpenOffice code is compatible with the Mac OS 9 APIs. Not to discourage anyone,
> but our estimates were that it would take a couple person years of work to port
> the existing code to Mac OS 9.
>
> Mac OS X
> --------
>
> Like the Mac OS 9 build environment, the build environment used by StarOffice
> developers was also ported to Mac OS X a few months ago. Currently, we can build
> up to the vcl module on Mac OS X. Unfortunately, I do not know of anyone who is
> working on modifying the build environment to work for OpenOffice.
>
> In any case, most of the non-GUI code has proved to be very straightforward to
> porting to Mac OS X because Mac OS X's BSD-like interfaces allowed us to make
> extensive use of OpenOffice's other Unix ports. However, porting the OpenOffice
> GUI toolkit (i.e. the vcl module) is expected to much more time consuming given
> that Mac OS X uses its own unique windowing API (i.e. Cocoa) and the fact that
> OpenOffice uses their own lightweight controls instead of native controls.
>
> Patrick
>
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Don't listen to them.
those 'light' people are just trying to confuse you.
just pull the shade and go get your favorite caffinated beverage.
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There's a world outside TechAngle?!?!
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> I have module loading turned on in the kernel options, but it still does
> not automatically load my soundcard module. I can modprobe it, and it
> works fine. How do I set this up? I figure it has something to do with
> /etc/modules.conf, but I don't know specifics. I also would like to know
> the general concept, so that I can do this for other modules in the
> future.
You are right about conf.modules or modules.conf. Here are some lines
from a conf.modules of mine for a Dell desktop with some on-board sound
card. Those lines were created by 'sndconfig' I think, except for maybe
the first one.
This working example should give you some ideas on how it works. To get
the drivers loaded, I just do "modprobe sound" and they all load in the
correct order. Also, any program that tries to access char-major-14
(which must be the sound devices) to do sound stuff will trigger kerneld
into loading the modules as specified in the conf.modules file.
# Sound example
alias char-major-14 opl3sa2
pre-install opl3sa2 modprobe "ad1848"
pre-install opl3sa2 modprobe "opl3"
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FYI to all you programmers. This stuff is Open Source.
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Hi all,
Some of you know that my mother has been sick for the last few months
and passed away last Friday after a long illness and so I haven't been
able to produce the quarterly Installfest/Fixfest/Mad Skillz Days and I
apologize for that. But now I must consider some personal issues as
well as professional ones and I'd like to take a break from my Event
Coordination duties if someone will take the Linux torch from me and run
with it. I will try and put on one last event and if another volunteer
would like to work with me and learn the ropes for my last hurrah, I
would appreciate it, and so would the group.
I'm not leaving the group, just want to do something different right
now. So, are there any takers who would like to "take the torch?"
Kevin
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On Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 11:26:45AM -0600, Lynn Danielson wrote:
(Lynn, your reply is missing.)
> Steve Ekwall wrote:
> > In September 1998, AOL posted on the Web its technical
> > specifications for how to write a Linux program that works with
> > AOL's message system. AOL ~removed~ the posting in July 1999, when
> > Question is this still available? .. is it under some prog. name on
> > my current Caldera Linux 2.3 CD files? or RedHat 6.1 ??
I'm not sure about the document to which you refer, but source for various
AOL Instant Messaging clients (AIM) exist. Tik and MiniTik are Tcl/Tk
versions, Tik at one time was an officialy AOL release, abandoned by AOL and
since taken over by an open source group of maintainers. There are also
AOL clients in C/C++ for Gnome & Kde, a client written in elisp for Emacs,
a few console based clients, and gateways to IRC. AOL supposedly has a Java
based AIM client that runs on Linux.
Tik and MiniTik are on SourceForge:
http://tik.sourceforeg.net
http://minitik.sourceforeg.net
Search www.freshmeat.net for the others (search: 'AOL AIM')
So I guess that makes the anwser, 'use the source'
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Excerpt of email sent to my boss on web technologies:
Another reason for possibly using PHP rather rather than ASP: It likely
is the future. According to Netcraft, 3121918 servers are using PHP.
If we assume that ALL NT servers are using ASP (3608415 of them) this
leaves ASP with a lead of only 486497 servers, OR....13% of NT. If only
87% of NT users use ASP, PHP is already more widely used.
I am right now behind the power curve. I am working on old technology.
I do not want to be in that position again. The only way to do this is
to catch the wave on the way up. Sometimes you do, sometimes you miss.
Months ago, I thought learning PHP might be a way to do this. It
appears that this time I was right. I have had failures in these
attempts, like PowerBuilder, which, rather than growing, has stagnated.
It looked good when I learned it, but then dropped off.
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