[CLUE-Talk] Introduction to Computer Science Course

Tue Feb 20 07:28:53 MST 2001

You forgot one Kevin. They also manage by the bean counters!

The biggest problem today in acedamia is that they don't give a twit
about teaching science, math etc.. they are more concearned with
teaching "feel good" B.S. and leftist political agenda's and just
teaching to tests.  It is really scary. Being one who takes college
courses at night I speak from experience. Many of the computer "science"
courses I have taken I knew more about the subject than the instructor.
And they supposedly have degree's. I guess it goes to show that real
life experience speaks volumes!  Heck the History course I am suposedly
taking has more leftist political crap being pushed than history. What
is this garbage! I do plan on filling a complaint about that.

</rant>

Regards,

Kevin Cullis wrote:
> 
<snip>
> 
> ... I totally agree, and quality assurance ALSO follows the scientific
> model as well. Too bad most managers don't manage by fact, but by
> hunches or marketing.
> 
> Kevin
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On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, Jeffery C. Cann wrote:

> As a trained Biologist, I would like to see the 'Science' put back into 
> Computer Science.
> 
> What I mean is to teach the Scientific Method:
> 
> idea -> hypothesis -> testing -> theory ...

Yes, I think this is a good idea.  However, I'm going to digress a bit
here and point out what I think is a very insidious problem in the
scientific community with regards to the scientific method.  

When it comes to "testing" there is little training with respect to
experimental design.  In general it seems that the common wisdom taught is
to control everything and only change one variable at a time.  While this
isn't grossly an incorrect procedure it makes the assumption that the test
variables are independent from one another and not correlated.  This is a
very special case in general.  More often than not, the effect of one or
more variables will depend on the values of the others.  The net upshot of
this is that the oft touted one-variable-at-a-time testing method will
fail on real world problems.  The solution may in fact be to change more
than one variable at a time.

OK, I'll get off my soap box <grin>.

- Wayde
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