[CLUE-Talk] Intro to Unix book.

[David Willson]

Someday, one of us will write a book:

"Things your *n?x mentor will never think to tell you...
because he left the womb knowing them...
just like all his friends...
What the Hell is wrong with you, anyway?"

:-)

-----Original Message-----
From: clue-talk-admin at clue.denver.co.us
[mailto:clue-talk-admin at clue.denver.co.us]On Behalf Of Kevin Cullis
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 3:36 PM
To: clue-talk at clue.denver.co.us
Subject: Re: [CLUE-Talk] Intro to Unix book.


Yea, like I was able to find out that the reverse to CNTL-Alt-F2 is
Alt-F7 to get back to the Window manager you left. The guy who
introduced me to Linux didn't know that.

Kevin

David Willson wrote:
>
> You mean things like this?
> find / -iname "*what*"
>
> Things that theoretically 'everyone' knows, only you don't know until you
> find out, and you struggle until you then?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: clue-talk-admin at clue.denver.co.us
> [mailto:clue-talk-admin at clue.denver.co.us]On Behalf Of Kevin Cullis
> Sent: Friday, 26 October, 2001 22:13
> To: clue-talk at clue.denver.co.us
> Subject: Re: [CLUE-Talk] Intro to Unix book.
>
> Dave,
>
> When I first started with Linux, I was told that "Running Linux" and
> "Linux in a Nutshell" were the books to read along with the HOWTOs and
> man pages.  The one book that helped bridge this informatino overload
> for me was "UNIX Power Tools."  It pulled together a number of issues
> into a comprehensive whole that I was able to understand that the other
> books didn't do. Not only did it pull together issues, but gives
> examples to things (although they may be somewhat outdated) which
> teaches concepts that are needed to get started.
>
> Kevin
>
> David Willson wrote:
> >
> > Here's what really worked well for me.
> > Give 'em two books:
> > 1- a TY (teach yourself) style book on whatever is their AOF (area of
> > fascination).  Mine were IMAP, Samba, and StarOffice.  That 'led' topic,
> > which is already interesting to them, will keep them 'in'.
> > 2- a nice reference book for Unix, so that when they encounter the
> > inevitable situation of not knowing how to perform a standard system
> > administration task, they can look it up.  That will keep them moving,
and
> > relatively frustration-free.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Dave Anselmi" <anselmi at americanisp.net>
> > To: "clue talk list" <clue-talk at clue.denver.co.us>
> > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 11:17 AM
> > Subject: [CLUE-Talk] Intro to Unix book.
> >
> > > Can anyone recommend a good book to introduce people to Unix?  I have
> > > several friends and family who would like to learn, but aren't
technical
> > > (some can handle a command line, some are just point and click).
> > >
> > > Books that have been valuable to me are "The UNIX Programming
> > > Environment" by Kernighan and Pike, "Essential System Administration"
> > > from O'Reilly, and "UNIX System Administration Handbook" by Evi
Nemeth,
> > > et. al.
> > >
> > > The K & P book is really about shell programming but covers enough
about
> > > the system to get by.  But it's a programmer's book, and some
beginners
> > > just don't get that.
> > >
> > > The Nemeth book is too advanced for beginners.  I found the O'Reilly
> > > admin book to be a great intro to what was going on, but I haven't
tried
> > > it on any beginners.  For them I think it's a little long, and
although
> > > the material is very interesting and pertinent (to me), I suspect they
> > > will be wondering "so how does this get my email read?"
> > >
> > > Generally, I despise "for dummies" books, and the "record time" or "in
> > > 21 days" books that turn out to be full of screen shots of pointing
and
> > > clicking (isn't the gui supposed to make it obvious where to point and
> > > click?  The thing you need out of the books that they lack is details
of
> > > how all the dialog box fields affect what actually happens.)
> > >
> > > But I don't know.  I'm an engineer, so simple books annoy me.  But I
> > > want to teach non-engineers, so I ask your advice.
> > >
> > > Dave
> > >
> > >
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