[CLUE-Talk] Re: CLUE-Talk digest, Vol 1 #410 - 12 msgs
Mike Benavides
tipsrules99 at attbi.com
Fri Feb 15 15:20:22 MST 2002
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>Today's Topics:
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> 1. Re: humor: Security is important (D C)
> 2. Authoring CBT over a Unix server? (John Endicott)
> 3. Re: Authoring CBT over a Unix server? (Lynn Danielson)
> 4. Re: humor: Security is important (Warren)
> 5. Installfest! (Jeffery Cann)
> 6. Re: Installfest! (Debian dual-boot on notebook?) (Matthew Porter)
> 7. RE: Installfest! (Debian dual-boot on notebook?) (Batalden, Eric)
> 8. RE: Installfest! (Debian dual-boot on notebook?) (Dave Hahn)
> 9. Re: Installfest! (Debian dual-boot on notebook?) (Ed Hill)
> 10. Re: Postgres RULES!!!!!! Linux is more good than cheap!!!! (Grant Johnson)
> 11. Re: Installfest! (Debian dual-boot on notebook?) (Dave Anselmi)
> 12. Oracle on Linux in production? (Jim Ockers)
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>Message: 1
>From: "D C" <dcorwine at yahoo.com>
>To: <clue-talk at clue.denver.co.us>
>Subject: Re: [CLUE-Talk] humor: Security is important
>Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 12:11:56 -0700
>charset="iso-8859-1"
>Reply-To: clue-talk at clue.denver.co.us
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>| I'm going to a Microsoft event shortly, like next week or so. Anyone
>| know where I can get a penguin motif necktie, or do I need to make do
>| with my penguin lapel pin?
>
>Check out http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/apparel and
>http://www.copyleft.net/index.phtml
>
>Both sites have a selection of penguin ties, as well as other pieces of
>apparel.
>
>
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>Message: 2
>Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:52:37 -0700
>From: John Endicott <jendicott at dls.com>
>Organization: DLS Group, Inc.
>To: clue-talk at clue.denver.co.us
>Subject: [CLUE-Talk] Authoring CBT over a Unix server?
>Reply-To: clue-talk at clue.denver.co.us
>
>Howdy, all...
>
>I was wondering what tools might be available to author interactive
>computer-based training, including audio and video, which would be hosted on a
>Sun server and delivered over the Internet. We were contemplating Authorware for
>this purpose, but Macromedia tells us it would not work. Any help would be
>greatly appreciated.
>
>Thanks,
>
>John
>
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>Message: 3
>Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 16:55:00 -0700
>From: Lynn Danielson <lynnd at techangle.com>
>Organization: Colorado Linux Users & Enthusiast
>To: clue-talk at clue.denver.co.us
>Subject: Re: [CLUE-Talk] Authoring CBT over a Unix server?
>Reply-To: clue-talk at clue.denver.co.us
>
>John Endicott wrote:
>
>>I was wondering what tools might be available to author interactive
>>computer-based training, including audio and video, which would be hosted on a
>>Sun server and delivered over the Internet. We were contemplating Authorware for
>>this purpose, but Macromedia tells us it would not work. Any help would be
>>greatly appreciated.
>>
>
>
>'Saw this on freshmeat:
>
> <http://www.ilias.uni-koeln.de/ios/index-e.html>
>
>'Looks like it might meet your needs.
>
>
>Lynn
>
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>Message: 4
>From: "Warren" <warren at guano.org>
>Subject: Re: [CLUE-Talk] humor: Security is important
>To: "CLUE TALK" <clue-talk at clue.denver.co.us>
>Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 20:11:44 -0700
>Reply-To: clue-talk at clue.denver.co.us
>
>Charlie Oriez <coriez at oriez.org> wrote:
>
> > ...Anyone know where I can get a penguin motif necktie, or do
> > I need to make do with my penguin lapel pin?
>
>See http://copyleft.net for all your apparel needs.
>
>
> --
>
> </W>
>
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>Message: 5
>charset="iso-8859-15"
>From: Jeffery Cann <president at clue.denver.co.us>
>Organization: Planet Earth (tm)
>To: clue-talk at clue.denver.co.us, clue-tech at clue.denver.co.us
>Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 22:54:42 -0700
>Subject: [CLUE-Talk] Installfest!
>Reply-To: clue-talk at clue.denver.co.us
>
>Date: 2/16
>Time: 10 am to 5 pm
>Place: Batky-Howell (http://www.batky-howell.com/location.html)
>
>An 'Installfest' is a social gathering where folks interested in Linux share
>knowledge about Linux installation and configuration. Often, those new to or
>interested in Linux will bring their computers for installation assistance.
>Others have already installed Linux and wish to try out new configurations or
>software. Typically, the CLUE installfests last for most of a weekend day.
>
>The next Installfest will include Linux on the DEC Alpha, as well as the
>usual horde of x86 (i.e., Intel / Athlon). We expect to have people
>available to help install Linux on machines using various bios and boot
>loader combinations. If you have an Alpha and it isn't running Linux, bring
>it!
>
>I will have copies of the following distributions.
>
>Red Hat 7.1
>Slackware 8.0
>Mandrake 8.1
>
>Many others will bring copies of other distributions as well. My personal
>goal (in addition to helping everyone else) is to get our two DEC Alpha boxes
>up-and-running for the CLUE web servers!
>
>Hope to see you there!
>
>--
>Jeffery Cann
>CLUE President
>
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>Message: 6
>Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 23:41:05 -0700
>From: Matthew Porter <mfporter at c-creature.com>
>To: clue-talk at clue.denver.co.us
>Subject: Re: [CLUE-Talk] Installfest! (Debian dual-boot on notebook?)
>Organization: The Creature
>Reply-To: clue-talk at clue.denver.co.us
>
>
>I hope to attend this week's Installfest, and I hope to install Debian on my notebook to make it a dual-boot machine.
>
>I've done dual-boot installs of Linux on a couple of desktop machines, but
>I've always had the benefit of an existing but unused Windows partition,
>or clean second hard drive just for Linux.
>
>However, my notebook currently has one 20 gig hard drive, which I will need to share between Windows and Linux.
>
>Will there be anyone at the installfest with the software and know-how to help me NON-DESTRUCTIVELY repartition my drive so I can keep the Windows install, but make room for the Linux install? Or will I need to provide my own copy of a tool such as Partition Magic to do this?
>
>(And as long as I'm asking questions -- is there anything I should do to the computer besides defrag and backup? Anything I should bring besides the computer and my Debian CDs?)
>
>Thanks,
>
> --Matt.
>
>----------
>Matthew Porter
>Golden, Colorado
>
>mfporter at c-creature.com
>
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>Message: 7
>From: "Batalden, Eric" <EBatalden at MonitorLabs.com>
>To: "'clue-talk at clue.denver.co.us'" <clue-talk at clue.denver.co.us>
>Subject: RE: [CLUE-Talk] Installfest! (Debian dual-boot on notebook?)
>Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 07:43:27 -0700
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>
>If you plan to use the single 20GB drive for a dual boot system please try
>have an unused partition ready to put Linux on. My understanding is that if
>the partition doesn't exist it can be time consuming to defrag, and create
>the new partition. If some one has done this please feel free to comment on
>the time required. This is just a thought so you can hit the ground running
>when you get here.
>
>E
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Matthew Porter [mailto:mfporter at c-creature.com]
>>Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 11:41 PM
>>To: clue-talk at clue.denver.co.us
>>Subject: Re: [CLUE-Talk] Installfest! (Debian dual-boot on notebook?)
>>
>>
>>
>>I hope to attend this week's Installfest, and I hope to
>>install Debian on my notebook to make it a dual-boot machine.
>>
>>I've done dual-boot installs of Linux on a couple of desktop
>>machines, but
>>I've always had the benefit of an existing but unused Windows
>>partition,
>>or clean second hard drive just for Linux.
>>
>>However, my notebook currently has one 20 gig hard drive,
>>which I will need to share between Windows and Linux.
>>
>>Will there be anyone at the installfest with the software and
>>know-how to help me NON-DESTRUCTIVELY repartition my drive so
>>I can keep the Windows install, but make room for the Linux
>>install? Or will I need to provide my own copy of a tool
>>such as Partition Magic to do this?
>>
>>(And as long as I'm asking questions -- is there anything I
>>should do to the computer besides defrag and backup?
>>Anything I should bring besides the computer and my Debian CDs?)
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>> --Matt.
>>
>>----------
>>Matthew Porter
>>Golden, Colorado
>>
>>mfporter at c-creature.com
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>CLUE-Talk mailing list
>>CLUE-Talk at clue.denver.co.us
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>Message: 8
>Subject: RE: [CLUE-Talk] Installfest! (Debian dual-boot on notebook?)
>From: Dave Hahn <dhahn at techangle.com>
>To: clue-talk at clue.denver.co.us
><8F6AFC12ED46D4119B0A00A0C9FB92380161BCCC at exchange1.MonitorLabs.net>
><8F6AFC12ED46D4119B0A00A0C9FB92380161BCCC at exchange1.MonitorLabs.net>
>Date: 15 Feb 2002 07:56:58 -0700
>Reply-To: clue-talk at clue.denver.co.us
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>Eric is right. I've used FIPS to shrink FAT partitions before, but it
>is time consuming. You need to have the FAT partition *completely*
>defragged. (i.e. run scandisk until it finds nothing two times in a
>row, same for defrag; 0% two times in a row.)
>
>Once this is done, a tool like FIPS can be used to quickly cut up the
>FAT partition and help you prep for a linux installation.
>
>On Fri, 2002-02-15 at 07:43, Batalden, Eric wrote:
>
> If you plan to use the single 20GB drive for a dual boot system please try
> have an unused partition ready to put Linux on. My understanding is that if
> the partition doesn't exist it can be time consuming to defrag, and create
> the new partition. If some one has done this please feel free to comment on
> the time required. This is just a thought so you can hit the ground running
> when you get here.
>
> E
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Matthew Porter [mailto:mfporter at c-creature.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 11:41 PM
> > To: clue-talk at clue.denver.co.us
> > Subject: Re: [CLUE-Talk] Installfest! (Debian dual-boot on notebook?)
> >
> >
> >
> > I hope to attend this week's Installfest, and I hope to
> > install Debian on my notebook to make it a dual-boot machine.
> >
> > I've done dual-boot installs of Linux on a couple of desktop
> > machines, but
> > I've always had the benefit of an existing but unused Windows
> > partition,
> > or clean second hard drive just for Linux.
> >
> > However, my notebook currently has one 20 gig hard drive,
> > which I will need to share between Windows and Linux.
> >
> > Will there be anyone at the installfest with the software and
> > know-how to help me NON-DESTRUCTIVELY repartition my drive so
> > I can keep the Windows install, but make room for the Linux
> > install? Or will I need to provide my own copy of a tool
> > such as Partition Magic to do this?
> >
> > (And as long as I'm asking questions -- is there anything I
> > should do to the computer besides defrag and backup?
> > Anything I should bring besides the computer and my Debian CDs?)
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > --Matt.
> >
> > ----------
> > Matthew Porter
> > Golden, Colorado
> >
> > mfporter at c-creature.com
> >
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>Eric is right. I've used FIPS to shrink FAT partitions before, but it is time consuming. You need to have the FAT partition *completely* defragged. (i.e. run scandisk until it finds nothing two times in a row, same for defrag; 0% two times in a row.)
><BR>
>
><BR>
>Once this is done, a tool like FIPS can be used to quickly cut up the FAT partition and help you prep for a linux installation.
><BR>
>
><BR>
>On Fri, 2002-02-15 at 07:43, Batalden, Eric wrote:
> <BLOCKQUOTE>
><PRE><FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>If you plan to use the single 20GB drive for a dual boot system please try</FONT></FONT></I>
><FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>have an unused partition ready to put Linux on. My understanding is that if</FONT></FONT></I>
><FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>the partition doesn't exist it can be time consuming to defrag, and create</FONT></FONT></I>
><FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>the new partition. If some one has done this please feel free to comment on</FONT></FONT></I>
><FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>the time required. This is just a thought so you can hit the ground running</FONT></FONT></I>
><FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>when you get here.</FONT></FONT></I>
><FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I></FONT></FONT></I>
><FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>E</FONT></FONT></I>
><FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I></FONT></FONT></I>
><FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> -----Original Message-----</FONT></FONT></I>
><FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> From: Matthew Porter [mailto:mfporter at c-creature.com]</FONT></FONT></I>
><FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 11:41 PM</FONT></FONT></I>
><FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> To: clue-talk at clue.denver.co.us</FONT></FONT></I>
><FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> Subject: Re: [CLUE-Talk] Installfest! (Debian dual-boot on notebook?)</FONT></FONT></I>
><FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> </FONT></FONT></I>
><FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> </FONT></FONT></I>
><FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> </FONT></FONT></I>
><FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> I hope to attend this week's Installfest, and I hope to </FONT></FONT></I>
><FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> install Debian on my notebook to make it a dual-boot machine.</FONT></FONT></I>
><FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> </FONT></FONT></I>
><FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> I've done dual-boot installs of Linux on a couple of desktop </FONT></FONT></I>
><FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> machines, but</FONT></FONT></I>
><FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> I've always had the benefit of an existing but unused Windows </FONT></FONT></I>
><FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> partition,</FONT></FONT></I>
><FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> or clean second hard drive just for Linux.</FONT></FONT></I>
><FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> </FONT></FONT></I>
><FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> However, my notebook currently has one 20 gig hard drive, </FONT></FONT></I>
><FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> which I will need to share between Windows and Linux.</FONT></FONT></I>
><FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> </FONT></FONT></I>
><FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> Will there be anyone at the installfest with the software and </FONT></FONT></I>
><FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> know-how to help me NON-DESTRUCTIVELY repartition my drive so </FONT></FONT></I>
><FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> I can keep the Windows install, but make room for the Linux </FONT></FONT></I>
><FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> install? Or will I need to provide my own copy of a tool </FONT></FONT></I>
><FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> such as Partition Magic to do this?</FONT></FONT></I>
><FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> </FONT></FONT></I>
><FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> (And as long as I'm asking questions -- is there anything I </FONT></FONT></I>
><FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> should do to the computer besides defrag and backup? </FONT></FONT></I>
><FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> Anything I should bring besides the computer and my Debian CDs?)</FONT></FONT></I>
><FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> </FONT></FONT></I>
><FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> Thanks,</FONT></FONT></I>
><FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> </FONT></FONT></I>
><FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> --Matt.</FONT></FONT></I>
><FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> </FONT></FONT></I>
><FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> ----------</FONT></FONT></I>
><FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> Matthew Porter</FONT></FONT></I>
><FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> Golden, Colorado</FONT></FONT></I>
><FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> </FONT></FONT></I>
><FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> mfporter at c-creature.com</FONT></FONT></I>
><FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> </FONT></FONT></I>
><FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> _______________________________________________</FONT></FONT></I>
><FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> CLUE-Talk mailing list</FONT></FONT></I>
><FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> CLUE-Talk at clue.denver.co.us</FONT></FONT></I>
><FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> http://clue.denver.co.us/mailman/listinfo/clue-talk</FONT></FONT></I>
><FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>> </FONT></FONT></I>
><FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>_______________________________________________</FONT></FONT></I>
><FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>CLUE-Talk mailing list</FONT></FONT></I>
><FONT COLOR="#737373"><FONT SIZE="3"><I>CLUE-Talk at clue.denver.co.us</FONT></FONT></I></PRE>
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>Message: 9
>Subject: Re: [CLUE-Talk] Installfest! (Debian dual-boot on notebook?)
>From: Ed Hill <ed at eh3.com>
>To: CLUE-TALK <clue-talk at clue.denver.co.us>
><20020214234105.5fc5ffef.mfporter at c-creature.com>
>Date: 15 Feb 2002 08:23:37 -0700
>Reply-To: clue-talk at clue.denver.co.us
>
>On Thu, 2002-02-14 at 23:41, Matthew Porter wrote:
>
>>I hope to attend this week's Installfest, and I hope to install Debian on my
>>notebook to make it a dual-boot machine.
>>
>>I've done dual-boot installs of Linux on a couple of desktop machines, but
>>I've always had the benefit of an existing but unused Windows partition,
>>or clean second hard drive just for Linux.
>>
>>However, my notebook currently has one 20 gig hard drive, which I will need
>>to share between Windows and Linux.
>>
>>Will there be anyone at the installfest with the software and know-how to
>>help me NON-DESTRUCTIVELY repartition my drive so I can keep the
>>Windows install, but make room for the Linux install? Or will I need
>>to provide my own copy of a tool such as Partition Magic to do this?
>>
>>(And as long as I'm asking questions -- is there anything I should do to
>>the computer besides defrag and backup? Anything I should bring
>>besides the computer and my Debian CDs?)
>>
>
>
>Hi Matt,
>
>I have a copy of Partition Magic.
>
>Is your Windows partition FAT or NTFS? If its NTFS then I recommend
>that you completely backup the system and re-install windows using
>FAT32. Linux can safely read/write to FAT partitions but can only
>safely read from NTFS. So transferring files between the two is much
>easier with FAT.
>
>And its a good idea to backup your system on a regular basis. IMNSHO,
>anyone who has important data on their disk and who isn't doing regular,
>archival backups is a fool.
>
>Ed
>
>
I' bring my copy of Partition Magic BUT USE it at Your at your own risk...
Mike Benavides
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