[CLUE-Talk] Intriguing project

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I believe that you do not need to do vi emulation with Netbeans. Apparently
it can be a plug-in.

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On Thu, 2 May 2002 00:23:29 -0600
Jeffery Cann <fabian at jefferycann.com> wrote:

> On Wednesday 01 May 2002 08:14 pm, Timothy C. Klein wrote:
> > * David Anselmi (anselmi at americanisp.net) wrote:
> > And there you have the number one reason why I never end up using an
> > IDE.  I have lots of time invested in getting quite efficient with the
> > vi editor.  Too often, I end up stuck with a lame integrated editor, or
> > poor integrate between vi/gvim and the IDE.  Sigh ...
> 
> I feel your pain... Short answer:  Yes -- planned for NetBeans 3.4 vim and 
> EMACS emulation within the editor.
> 
> Long answer:
> 
> As a vi (actually vim now) lover, I agree totally.  I would much rather keep 
> my hands on the keyboard and use vi commands than the mouse.  Of course, you 
> could argue that your email editor should have a vi emulator, right?
> 
> I do think folks benefit a lot more from an IDE (especially NetBeans) because 
> it has so many cool features (especially for Java development) that make it 
> worthwhile to forget about vi movement commands.
> 
> For example:
> + JUnit integration - one click to generate unit classes
> + CVS integration - full CVS commands within the IDE
> + XML support - one click to validate your XML against a DTD or XSD
> + UML support - via Poseidon UML (open source) + commercial plugins
> 
> Sure, I can use command line utils or other GUI apps to accomplish those 
> tasks, but what makes an IDE powerful for software development is the 
> integration.  I don't have to leave the IDE.  This makes training of new 
> developers much easier when they can stay in a single application, rather 
> than opening 5 other applications.
> 
> NetBeans is particularly cool because it is open source _platform_.  This 
> means that any Joe Schmoe can write a module for it.  In fact, two of the 
> four modules (above) were developed by 3rd parties.  
> 
> It also is interesting that companies like Refactorit and Embarcadero have 
> written commercial plugins for NetBeans.  Embarcadero is a UML design tool 
> that features round-trip engineering.  Refactorit is a plugin that helps you 
> refactor code - like change class names or method names.
> 
> At JavaOne last month, there were no less than 13 vendors that were selling 
> NetBeans plugins.  This is a small taste of the power of a modular, open 
> source IDE platform.
> 
> To answer Dave's question:
> 
> There *is* an effort to integrate vim as a drop-in replacement for the 
> NetBeans IDE.  There is some information on the NetBeans.org web site.  Under 
> the NetBeans 3.4 features (latest is 3.3), EMACS and Vim emulation are listed 
> as "should have' features:
> 
>    http://editor.netbeans.org/doc/NewFeatures.html#2
> 
> Here is the home page for the 'external editors' NetBeans project:
> 
>   http://externaleditor.netbeans.org/
> 
> Not sure when / if it will happen because the code is 'pre-alpha'.  I would 
> love to see it, but I still use NetBeans everyday without missing vim too 
> much.
> 
> Jeff
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