[CLUE-Talk] Traitors, Cowards, Scoundrels, and Intelligent Dissenters

[G. Richard Raab]

On 2003 March 28 Friday 09:02 pm, Kevin Cullis wrote:
> On Thu, 2003-03-27 at 07:15, Dennis J Perkins wrote:
> > My dad likes to say, "if everyone else jumped off a cliff, I suppose you
> > would want to do it too."
> >
> > I've angered at least one friend by my attitude about this war.  He
> > thinks that we must uncritically support the president.  Why?  Don't I
> > have the right to dissent?  Isn't this a democracy?  Or has the bill of
> > rights been repealed?  If someone says you are either with them or
> > against them, that means they think you don't have the right to disagree
> > with them.  That usually means I am against them.
>
> As a conservative, I am not angered by your disagreement of dissent, but
> in fact if you were an Iraqie dissenting against Saddam, you'd be put in
> prison or shot and so would your family. So, from my perspective,
> dissent all you want.  But one word of caution: please DO be careful
> what you say with our troops in harms way.  Sometimes what you say will
> come back to haunt THEM why they are being held captive.  Nothing is
> more hopeless when as a POW you know your country has forgotten you or
> being called "baby killers" by those who are not only ignorant but
> selfish (not saying you are).  So say what you want, but anything you
> say or do can be used against American's in action.


Kevin,

	Plase do not use the N* word. Please do not beat your wife. Please do not 
steal money from other. Please do not lie. Please do not murder Sometimes 
what you do is very illegal against the law and social circles.Nothing is 
more hopeless whan as a citizen to know that others have trampled on you.

	Oh wait, you would not do these things anyways? This infamitory statement 
bothers you? It is this kind of crap that ppl have been speaking against on 
some of these lines.


	The things that you mentioned were from a different time and a totaly 
different war. In 'nam, Eisenhower put in advisors. Kennedy stepped it up to 
us serving as pinned down guards. Congress, Johnson, and Nixon then added 
restrictions to what was possible. It was year after year after year, 
constant bodies coming back. Troops did not want to be there and citizens did 
not want to be troops.
	Congressmen would keep there kids out of harms way. Some congressional kids 
were supposedly kept out of trouble while there( probably Gore, but he was 
there) Smart kids were granted deferments where they could protest the war( 
Clinton ). Some congressional kids were allowed to be total cowards and went 
into the guard but wat guarenteed not havin to go so did not show up at all ( 
Anybody come to mind?). OH BTW, apparently it is not so different. There is 
ONE child in the military of the admin (ashcroft at the academy).
	The war ended just a few years before I was looking at have to go. Oh, and I 
was tuned in to howmany of my older friends enlisted, served, and then died.
It was our worst nightmare. 


 	OTH, this is a war with a defined set of goals. We are looking to get in, 
engage, and then hopefully get our troops out.



>
> > I am not convinced that we should be doing this.  Who appointed us
> > policemen of the world?  Is there enough of a threat to justify the war? 
> > What if we don't find the proof we're looking for?
>
> So, you'd wait for another 9/11?
>
> Might does not always make right, but might should back up right.

	The implication is that this is right.Cool. This is about liberation of the 
Iraq and getting us out of harms way. Great. Makes sense to me. Then I 
suggest to smooth the ruffled feathers of the UN that as soon as we are done 
doing this, that we turn over the country to the UN. We allow the current OIL 
contracts to remain in place. Oh wait. Is that bush and a number of texan oil 
ppl that I hear screaming go kill raab????? Is the patriot act in place that 
allows the federal government to monitor and change communicatoin in national 
interest?

	My fault. I was wrong. I know that this war is a great idea and that it is 
allow about the liberation of Iraq. I know that W. and Ashcroft are great 
men. I apoligize that the earlier half of this e-mail was in a different 
packet and I was unable to retrieve it back and change that one as well as 
this one. Please disregard the early stuff as pure babal.
Go Airforce.