[clue-talk] Dave R's Weak Intro To Judaism

[David Rudder]

My support for Judaism is tepid at best.  I'm certainly not the one to
argue it either way.  I understand your feelings, and to an extent I can
sympathize.  But, I've been living la vida goyim for so long that I
don't think I'm comfortable talking on this subject.

I'm sorry to hear about your mom.

-Dave

Louis Miller wrote:
> David,
> 
>      I was raised Jewish, in northern california, and the way you describe it is very different from my conception of the religion. To me it is about greed and selfishness and letting others do their own thing. My mom has told me before that she wanted to commit suicide, and I felt that I shouldn't interfere in what is her life and her decisions. We ate pig's meat, and never questioned it, and there was no gentile around influencing us. We ate shellfish, too. But, we went to a reform temple. Jews are very serious about making money and pretending that you don't exist if you become poor. And they are serious about being cheapskates. They are distant, emotionally.
> 
> Louis Miller
> 
> --- david.rudder at reliableresponse.net wrote:
> 
> From: David Rudder <david.rudder at reliableresponse.net>
> To: CLUE talk <clue-talk at cluedenver.org>
> Subject: [clue-talk] Dave R's Weak Intro To Judaism
> Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 14:20:17 -0600
> 
> David L. Willson wrote:
>> In this case, if the Jewish system dictates that God ensouls a child when it first draws
>> breath, then to a devout Jew, the destruction of a fetus or embryo is insignificant.
>>   
> 
> *pftftt*  Don't believe it!  I was being disingenuous when I said
> Judaism isn't against abortion.
> 
> To Jews, a fetus is a part of the woman.  To Jews, damaging yourself
> intentionally is a serious no-no.  For instance, if you pierce your
> ears, the *minimum* punishment is that you can't be buried in a Jewish
> grave.  Since it's a tradition to purchase a family grave site where
> everyone is buried together, this means you're outcast in front of your
> whole extended family, for long after you're dead.  Which means lasting
> shame on your mother, which is about as serious as it gets to a Jew.
> For *getting your ears pierced*  Just think about what your mother would
> say if you got an abortion.
> 
> Sure, abortion isn't considered murder, but the severity of the crime
> isn't much below murder.
> 
> Eating lobster?  Abomination!!!!   A woman learning to read?
> Abomination!!!!  I don't even want to think about what the punishment
> for my vasectomy would be if I were orthodox.
> 
> Seriously, we Jews are pretty hard-core.  That's why you see a lot of
> Rabbis on the pro-life side.
> 
> If anyone is wondering how closely I follow these laws, I invite you
> over to inspect my home bacon making kit.  And my gentile wife.  Um...
> forget that...no inspecting the wife.  I work Friday nights, I've taught
> my daughter to read, I pierced my ear 18 years ago (and filled in the
> hole 16 years ago), I've built accounting systems for the lobster
> fishing trade, etc.  I'm a baaaaaad Jew.
> 
> -Dave
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