[clue-talk] it's over!

[Nate Duehr]

He has zero control over the economy other than to continue to say  
things aren't so bad.  Reality is the economy runs in cycles and will  
continue to do so, President or none.  Right now the markets still  
don't have a solid way to evaluate the risks and losses that our  
financial institutions built up over 30 years in home mortgage  
lending.  People will eventually invest again when they feel they will  
make money. We are in for at least two more years downward trending  
overall, looking at the losses still being posted and the deflationary  
effects of 40 to 1 leveraged banks reeling that number back in. It's  
just math, with a little psychology.

--
Nate Duehr
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On Nov 5, 2008, at 10:46, David Rudder <david.rudder at reliableresponse.net 
 > wrote:

> I always take the word "mandate" to be related to "mandatory" and to  
> mean something along the lines of the voters saying "we elected you  
> to do XYZ, so you really, really should do that".  The people  
> primarily elected Obama to fix the economy.  Secondarily, they  
> elected him to get us out of Iraq, change the tone of Washington,  
> and because he's black and young.  I think it's pretty silly to  
> think Obama's going to deliver on all this, but I think it's pretty  
> clear that people want him to.  He'd better at least deliver on the  
> economy.
>
> That's different from Pres. Bush's "political capital".  That line  
> was total reality-distortion-field blather.  Bush thought he had the  
> right to spend some of the political capital he thought he'd gained  
> during the election to push his own agenda.  But, he barely won the  
> election, and he went right out and spent millions on fancy parties,  
> did away with habeas corpus, and then took a nice long vacation.   
> Shameful.
>
> If Obama thinks he has any political capital to spend, he's crazier  
> than Bush was.  He has a mandate, and he better get cracking.  Get  
> us 100,000 new jobs, bring the DOW over 14,000, bring our troops  
> home without a massive disaster, and *then* he can party.  Political  
> capital is earned during the execution of the job, not in the  
> election.
>
> -Dave
>
> P.S.  I'm still chuckling over Carville's mandate comment.  Man- 
> date.  hehe. That guy looks like some sort of crazy alien, but he  
> can really sling the zingers.
>
> Angelo Bertolli wrote:
>> http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2001
>>
>> I didn't understand what it meant back then, and I still don't  
>> understand what it means in reference to Obama.  The people elected  
>> a President.  Is that a mandate that the President gets to do  
>> whatever he wants for those people while disenfranchising the rest?  
>> I hope not.
>>
>> David Rudder wrote:
>>> On Nov 5th, 2004, GWBush said:
>>> "Let me put it to you this way: I earned capital in the campaign,  
>>> political capital, and now I intend to spend it"
>>> He didn't use the word "mandate", but a lot of Republicans were.
>>> A funny quote: James Carville, a Democrat, was quoted as saying  
>>> "The only person with a mandate is Jim Greevey".  HA!!!!   
>>> Mandate?!?!  Man-date!!!
>>>
>>>
>>> One big difference is that GWBush won 2004 on "character issues".   
>>> Obama won on "policy issues".  The voters clearly voted for Obama  
>>> because of his economic plan, and to a lesser extent his plan for  
>>> Iraq.  He has a clear mandate on those issues.  GWBush had a clear  
>>> mandate on abortion, gay marriage, etc., which he failed to address.
>>>
>>> Greg Knaddison - GVS wrote:
>>>> But now both of you who have said basically the same thing, so...
>>>>
>>>> Am I looking at the wrong news sources?  As far as I can tell:
>>>>
>>>> Obama got 52% of the popular vote while  McCain got 46% of the  
>>>> popular
>>>> vote. In 2004 Bush got 51% to Kerry's 48%.  We didn't call Bush's  
>>>> win
>>>> in 2004 a mandate. Are 3 percentage points really that big of a
>>>> difference?
>>>>
>>>> Certainly the popular news media is calling this a mandate, but  
>>>> that's
>>>> no surprise.  From a critical perspective: is this a mandate?  And
>>>> which numbers make it clearly so?
>>>>
>>>> Greg
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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