From cluemail at jbaer.cotse.net  Sat Sep  4 22:40:01 2010
From: cluemail at jbaer.cotse.net (Jed S. Baer)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 22:40:01 -0600
Subject: [clue-talk] Privacy, Tech, and Politics
Message-ID: <MTAwMDAyNS5qYmFlcg.1283661607@quikprotect>

So Dave A. pointed to this Debconf thing, where Eben Moglen gave a talk.
I just started watching the video

http://meetings-archive.debian.net/pub/debian-meetings/2010/debconf10/high/1252_How_We_Can_Be_the_Silver_Lining_of_the_Cloud.ogv

and two things immediately come to mind. One is that his point about
privacy reminds of why Whit Diffie wanted to come up with asymetric
encryption in the first place. Two is the book "Code and Other Laws of
Cyberspace" by Lawrence Lessig. 

So, I'm going to watch the rest of this vid of Eben speaking at Debconf.
Maybe not tonight, depending on how long a speech it is.

-- 
Ok, so we should be thinking of a lovable, cuddly, stuffed penguin
sitting down after having gorged itself on herring. Still with me? 
 -- Linus Torvalds

From skidawg at skidawg.org  Tue Sep 14 14:26:31 2010
From: skidawg at skidawg.org (Ski Dawg)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 14:26:31 -0600
Subject: [clue-talk] Enterprise level hosting provider
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=a3XoYqJ1TdKqTCqMY2M1Ejpv0N+ZThrQMY9=S@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everyone,

At work, we are looking into other enterprise level hosting options
for our web applications, and I was wondering if anyone had any that
they would recommend.

Our applications run in a LAMP environment, currently running on
CentOS. At this time, we are not interested in hosting and or
maintaining our own hardware, but rather have a provider that will
take care of that side of the equation. We can maintain the OS and
software on the servers themselves, once they are in place.

We would like a setup where we can run a few virtual machines on the
physical hardware, to better utilize the resources. Our current host,
provides this capability by running VMWare ESX on the hardware, then
creating multiple virtual machines on that physical system. A VMWare
solution would work, but we would be open to other options that
provide a similar end result.

Any thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated.
-- 
Doug

Registered Linux User #285548 (http://counter.li.org)
----------------------------------------
Never trust a computer you can't throw out a window.
   -- Steve Wozniak

From bwg1974 at yahoo.com  Wed Sep 15 00:05:50 2010
From: bwg1974 at yahoo.com (Brian Gibson)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 23:05:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [clue-talk] Enterprise level hosting provider
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=a3XoYqJ1TdKqTCqMY2M1Ejpv0N+ZThrQMY9=S@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=a3XoYqJ1TdKqTCqMY2M1Ejpv0N+ZThrQMY9=S@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <405936.58504.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Amazon EC2 and Rackspace come immediately to mind, and by that token, are 
probably already on your short list.  The only experience I have with Rackspace 
is for vanilla hosting space and not virtualization.  There service is top notch 
and fast.  Their customer service is very responsive, but like any other 
provider, by the time you're calling them, you often have to escalate the 
problem to a senior tech because you know more than the junior ones fielding the 
front lines.  We ran into a technical issue with how they configure their load 
balancers where the .NET load balancers are prioritized before the Linux ones 
even if you disable .NET on your account.  They were able to help diagnose and 
resolve the issue in a relatively timely manner given that it wasn't a mission 
critical problem.


- Brian


----- Original Message ----
From: Ski Dawg <skidawg at skidawg.org>
To: clue-talk at cluedenver.org
Sent: Tue, September 14, 2010 2:26:31 PM
Subject: [clue-talk] Enterprise level hosting provider

Hello everyone,

At work, we are looking into other enterprise level hosting options
for our web applications, and I was wondering if anyone had any that
they would recommend.

Our applications run in a LAMP environment, currently running on
CentOS. At this time, we are not interested in hosting and or
maintaining our own hardware, but rather have a provider that will
take care of that side of the equation. We can maintain the OS and
software on the servers themselves, once they are in place.

We would like a setup where we can run a few virtual machines on the
physical hardware, to better utilize the resources. Our current host,
provides this capability by running VMWare ESX on the hardware, then
creating multiple virtual machines on that physical system. A VMWare
solution would work, but we would be open to other options that
provide a similar end result.

Any thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated.
-- 
Doug

Registered Linux User #285548 (http://counter.li.org)
----------------------------------------
Never trust a computer you can't throw out a window.
   -- Steve Wozniak
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From Greg at GrowingVentureSolutions.com  Wed Sep 15 07:28:44 2010
From: Greg at GrowingVentureSolutions.com (Greg Knaddison)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 07:28:44 -0600
Subject: [clue-talk] Enterprise level hosting provider
In-Reply-To: <405936.58504.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <AANLkTi=a3XoYqJ1TdKqTCqMY2M1Ejpv0N+ZThrQMY9=S@mail.gmail.com>
	<405936.58504.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimKQ0PwtYkH5y009_WXXHVAnRnBC-VOYyv9WPov@mail.gmail.com>

Rackspace has three major kinds of hosting, so it's important to know
which you're talking about.

Rackspace "Managed Hosting" is physical hardware (this is what they
build their name on and is simple to understand).

Rackspace Cloud Servers are virtual private servers which can be built
on top of popular distros, and have their resources re-allocated
somewhat dynamically (it requires a reboot, but works). This is based
on slicehost.com which RackSpace bought. You can call support and get
to the same technicians that support their dedicated servers,
especially if you have a lot of VPS machines with them, but they also
have a lower tier or two first. Much cheaper for a single server.

Rackspace Cloud Sites which is a grid kind of cloud where your site is
on a cluster of servers. They measure "compute units" and charge you
for bandwidth, disk, and compute units. Pages are served in about 2
seconds. Always. Get a spike of traffic? Still 2 seconds. Have a site
with no visitors? Still 2 seconds. Cheaper than a single dedicated
server, more expensive than a single "cloud server".

Ski Dawg: Is it important to you whether the hosting company is "local" or not?

A few "enterprise" types of companies I suggest:

* Voxel - which is NYC based.
* NeoSpire - Texas based.
* Rackspace - especially for the cloud servers.
* Amazon EC2 along with EBS and perhaps RDS can be useful, but you
have to understand how ephemeral their cloud is when you design your
application. Also, considering buying their support when you compare
apples-to-apples with Rackcloud servers.
* Linode, Rimuhost, and probably a dozen other commodity VPS hosts
which are not quite as "enterprise" but are quite good.

I only have direct experience with Rackspace and Amazon's offerings.

Regards,
Greg

--
Greg Knaddison | 720-310-5623 | http://growingventuresolutions.com
Mastering Drupal | http://www.masteringdrupal.com




On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 12:05 AM, Brian Gibson <bwg1974 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Amazon EC2 and Rackspace come immediately to mind, and by that token, are
> probably already on your short list. ?The only experience I have with Rackspace
> is for vanilla hosting space and not virtualization. ?There service is top notch
> and fast. ?Their customer service is very responsive, but like any other
> provider, by the time you're calling them, you often have to escalate the
> problem to a senior tech because you know more than the junior ones fielding the
> front lines. ?We ran into a technical issue with how they configure their load
> balancers where the .NET load balancers are prioritized before the Linux ones
> even if you disable .NET on your account. ?They were able to help diagnose and
> resolve the issue in a relatively timely manner given that it wasn't a mission
> critical problem.
>
>
> - Brian
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Ski Dawg <skidawg at skidawg.org>
> To: clue-talk at cluedenver.org
> Sent: Tue, September 14, 2010 2:26:31 PM
> Subject: [clue-talk] Enterprise level hosting provider
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> At work, we are looking into other enterprise level hosting options
> for our web applications, and I was wondering if anyone had any that
> they would recommend.
>
> Our applications run in a LAMP environment, currently running on
> CentOS. At this time, we are not interested in hosting and or
> maintaining our own hardware, but rather have a provider that will
> take care of that side of the equation. We can maintain the OS and
> software on the servers themselves, once they are in place.
>
> We would like a setup where we can run a few virtual machines on the
> physical hardware, to better utilize the resources. Our current host,
> provides this capability by running VMWare ESX on the hardware, then
> creating multiple virtual machines on that physical system. A VMWare
> solution would work, but we would be open to other options that
> provide a similar end result.
>
> Any thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated.
> --
> Doug
>
> Registered Linux User #285548 (http://counter.li.org)
> ----------------------------------------
> Never trust a computer you can't throw out a window.
> ? -- Steve Wozniak
> _______________________________________________
> clue-talk mailing list
> clue-talk at cluedenver.org
> http://cluedenver.org/mailman/listinfo/clue-talk
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> clue-talk mailing list
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> http://cluedenver.org/mailman/listinfo/clue-talk
>

From skidawg at skidawg.org  Wed Sep 15 10:42:25 2010
From: skidawg at skidawg.org (Ski Dawg)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 10:42:25 -0600
Subject: [clue-talk] Enterprise level hosting provider
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimKQ0PwtYkH5y009_WXXHVAnRnBC-VOYyv9WPov@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=a3XoYqJ1TdKqTCqMY2M1Ejpv0N+ZThrQMY9=S@mail.gmail.com>
	<405936.58504.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<AANLkTimKQ0PwtYkH5y009_WXXHVAnRnBC-VOYyv9WPov@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=gr1mh7tQG-GC-qe8RDx6kaayPBvR=i1kJvtb-@mail.gmail.com>

Brian and Greg,

Thanks  for the info.

We have contacted Rackspace to have their rep call us so we can talk
to them about their offerings for what we need. We will look into the
other companies mentioned as well.
-- 
Doug

Registered Linux User #285548 (http://counter.li.org)
----------------------------------------
Never trust a computer you can't throw out a window.
   -- Steve Wozniak

From daniel at kulinski.net  Wed Sep 15 10:54:08 2010
From: daniel at kulinski.net (Dan Kulinski)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 10:54:08 -0600
Subject: [clue-talk] Enterprise level hosting provider
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=a3XoYqJ1TdKqTCqMY2M1Ejpv0N+ZThrQMY9=S@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=a3XoYqJ1TdKqTCqMY2M1Ejpv0N+ZThrQMY9=S@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikRQnhVz6bqaOJRib=2eL_reHBUh9CZ=EEraySX@mail.gmail.com>

I use ServInt for their VPS packages.  They also offer dedicated hosting
that is indeed managed.  The two support tickets I have opened with them
have been answered within 10 minutes and usually solved in under an hour.

Dan Kulinski

On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Ski Dawg <skidawg at skidawg.org> wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> At work, we are looking into other enterprise level hosting options
> for our web applications, and I was wondering if anyone had any that
> they would recommend.
>
> Our applications run in a LAMP environment, currently running on
> CentOS. At this time, we are not interested in hosting and or
> maintaining our own hardware, but rather have a provider that will
> take care of that side of the equation. We can maintain the OS and
> software on the servers themselves, once they are in place.
>
> We would like a setup where we can run a few virtual machines on the
> physical hardware, to better utilize the resources. Our current host,
> provides this capability by running VMWare ESX on the hardware, then
> creating multiple virtual machines on that physical system. A VMWare
> solution would work, but we would be open to other options that
> provide a similar end result.
>
> Any thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated.
> --
> Doug
>
> Registered Linux User #285548 (http://counter.li.org)
> ----------------------------------------
> Never trust a computer you can't throw out a window.
>   -- Steve Wozniak
> _______________________________________________
> clue-talk mailing list
> clue-talk at cluedenver.org
> http://cluedenver.org/mailman/listinfo/clue-talk
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From redmop924 at comcast.net  Tue Sep 21 23:05:39 2010
From: redmop924 at comcast.net (Shawn Perry)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 23:05:39 -0600
Subject: [clue-talk] VM shootout
In-Reply-To: <1282095982.13222.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <31690392.221282072296201.JavaMail.dlwillson@dlwillson-laptop>
	<1282095982.13222.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimwt7E-XSOjBPRRr=W0hzfraiHS9EVd-3zqJ6Dy@mail.gmail.com>

I am unable to give the talk on Proxmox on Oct 12.  If we do multiple
meetings to handle this, I would like to be on the same day as KVM
(the second meeting, obviously) as Proxmox integrates KVM into it's
solutions.

On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 7:46 PM, Maxwell Spangler
<maxlists at maxwellspangler.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 2010-08-17 at 13:11 -0600, David L. Willson wrote:
>> So, perhaps the right place to start is.
>>
>> For each person interested in seeing/hearing/attending this talk:
>>
>> ? ?What advantages do you want from virt?
>
> 1) The ability to run Windows in a guest VM so we don't have to
> dual-boot for iTunes, etc.
>
> 2) The ability to run Linux in a guest VM so that we can
> experiment/learn/master what IT overall is promoting as the natural
> environment of the future.
>
> 3) The ability to run Windows in a guest VM with DOS running within
> windows running an Atari emulator running a kermit emulator so we can
> get that infinite picture effect that happens when you video someone and
> show the video on a monitor within the scene.
>
> I'm not sure what my priorities are.
>
> --
> Maxwell Spangler
> ========================================================================
> ? ? ? ?Linux, Unix and Database Administration
> ? ? ? ?Currently: Boulder, Colorado
> ? ? ? ?LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/maxwellspangler
>
>
>
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From dennisjperkins at comcast.net  Wed Sep 22 22:27:54 2010
From: dennisjperkins at comcast.net (Dennis J Perkins)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 22:27:54 -0600
Subject: [clue-talk] VM shootout
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimwt7E-XSOjBPRRr=W0hzfraiHS9EVd-3zqJ6Dy@mail.gmail.com>
References: <31690392.221282072296201.JavaMail.dlwillson@dlwillson-laptop>
	<1282095982.13222.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<AANLkTimwt7E-XSOjBPRRr=W0hzfraiHS9EVd-3zqJ6Dy@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1285216074.2866.47.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 2010-09-21 at 23:05 -0600, Shawn Perry wrote:

> I am unable to give the talk on Proxmox on Oct 12.  If we do multiple
> meetings to handle this, I would like to be on the same day as KVM
> (the second meeting, obviously) as Proxmox integrates KVM into it's
> solutions.
> 
> On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 7:46 PM, Maxwell Spangler
> <maxlists at maxwellspangler.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, 2010-08-17 at 13:11 -0600, David L. Willson wrote:
> >> So, perhaps the right place to start is.
> >>
> >> For each person interested in seeing/hearing/attending this talk:
> >>
> >>    What advantages do you want from virt?
> >
> > 1) The ability to run Windows in a guest VM so we don't have to
> > dual-boot for iTunes, etc.
> >
> > 2) The ability to run Linux in a guest VM so that we can
> > experiment/learn/master what IT overall is promoting as the natural
> > environment of the future.
> >
> > 3) The ability to run Windows in a guest VM with DOS running within
> > windows running an Atari emulator running a kermit emulator so we can
> > get that infinite picture effect that happens when you video someone and
> > show the video on a monitor within the scene.
> >
> > I'm not sure what my priorities are.
> >
> > --
> > Maxwell Spangler
> > ========================================================================
> >        Linux, Unix and Database Administration
> >        Currently: Boulder, Colorado
> >        LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/maxwellspangler
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > clue-talk at cluedenver.org
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> >
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I might not be there either.  I will probably be at a customer site in
Green Bay that week.  

Splitting this topic into two meetings is a good idea.  VMWare and
VirtualBox in October, then Qemu-kvm and Proxmox in November?
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From misterburton at gmail.com  Thu Sep 23 09:18:27 2010
From: misterburton at gmail.com (Mike Burton)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 09:18:27 -0600
Subject: [clue-talk] VirtualBox Speaker?
Message-ID: <AANLkTin8aCcv1afsiOqtedZyy8DBJA+mTPKYwWSYOh+B@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everyone out there in Email Land. We need a speaker who is willing and
able to speak on the subject of VirtualBox for our October "VM SHootout"
meeting. Any takers? If you're willing, please respond to the list, or to me
directly.

Thanks in advance,
Michael Burton
*CLUE Speaker Coordinator*
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From crawford.rainwater at linux-etc.com  Thu Sep 30 07:22:32 2010
From: crawford.rainwater at linux-etc.com (Crawford Rainwater)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 07:22:32 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [clue-talk] Move to CLUE-talk, was: A dedicated CLUE forum?
Message-ID: <15585667.210.1285852952541.JavaMail.root@zmx.os-mx.com>

Folks:

As one of the CLUE Admins, this thread should be moved to CLUE-Talk.  Please start responding there.

Additionally I will put in a few $0.02 as well.

Thanks in advance.

--- Crawford

The Linux ETC Company
10121 Yates Court
Westminster, CO 80031 USA
voice:  +1.303.604.2550
web:    http://www.linux-etc.com

From crawford.rainwater at linux-etc.com  Thu Sep 30 07:33:55 2010
From: crawford.rainwater at linux-etc.com (Crawford Rainwater)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 07:33:55 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [clue-talk] A dedicated CLUE forum?
Message-ID: <11281219.214.1285853635335.JavaMail.root@zmx.os-mx.com>

Folks:

I am guessing the web forum(s) would be a "step up" going to CLUE's web site at 
http://www.cluedenver.org -> E-Mail Lists -> pick your desired list and then viewing threads via the Archives, correct?  I am guessing not many view the Mailman Archives to get the similar effect, though again it is not a "forum" style motif either. ;-)

Most web forums can be included to send out emails of postings (I have that for a few myself) or in Digest format (my personal preference to reduce email traffic).  However, I have also noticed that most LUGs around the US are still traditionally Mailman based as well.  So for those who want their email version as well, that point would be satisfied.

As for hosting elsewhere or not, this has been a touchy subject in the past.  The CLUE VPS is meant to be "the server" that has had roughly a 24/7 up time since things were moved over from "left over" physical hardware.  If it could be integrated into CLUE's web site, that would be probably the best solution.  Add in a few moderators as needed (e.g., CLUE-Jobs is moderated by Dennis and myself to make sure postings are appropriate), there we go.

I would like to see a few suggestions or even presentations of what could be used for a "web forum" style site before migrating to such potentially.  I would also like to see the issue of the Mailman Archives of CLUE be retained as well as part of the "requirements" to doing such.

Just my input.  Comments, questions, and such are welcomed of course.

--- Crawford

The Linux ETC Company
10121 Yates Court
Westminster, CO 80031 USA
voice:  +1.303.604.2550
web:    http://www.linux-etc.com