<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; "><BR><DIV><DIV>On 2006-Aug 07, at 10:55hrs AM, Sean LeBlanc wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">On 08-07 10:53, Matt Gushee wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Then there's peak oil to think about. The pessimists say it's already<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">happened, and the optimists put it forty or fifty years in the future.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Either way, anything energy-efficient is going to become more important<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">to all of us.</DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV>Hardly....... Once the pain becomes great enough, energy production will shift</DIV><DIV>to producing hydrogen as an energy store mechanism. Water is split into hydrogen</DIV><DIV>and oxygen. The hydrogen is burned later to produce localized energy. Making</DIV><DIV>hydrogen is well understood. And where will the energy to create hydrogen come from ?</DIV><DIV>The easiest method is nuclear and as the energy pain increases, fission will become</DIV><DIV>fashionable again. Right behind fission is fusion. As the pain becomes greater, fusion</DIV><DIV>will be made into a reality. Solar conversion will be right behind. One will see solar</DIV><DIV>converters everywhere there is frequent sun. Colorado will be blanketed with them.</DIV><DIV>Solar converters will be built into all sorts of surfaces. Buildings, roadways, parking lots,</DIV><DIV>etc. Energy efficiency will play a part but I expect to see per capita energy use go up,</DIV><DIV>not down.</DIV><DIV>Gus<BR><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Yup. After seeing _End of Suburbia_, I definitely had my eyes opened. It may</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">be one of the most extreme outlooks, but it might be actually correct. I</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">think most Americans have their head firmly planted in the sand (or</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">elsewhere) on this one, and having the most pessimistic view may be the most</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">adult approach, especially if it causes Americans to start demanding</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">alternatives.</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Interestingly, WSJ had a chart in which they gave average MPG - it's worse</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">now than it was in the 80's, despite gains in technology to boost efficiency</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">in MPG - Americans opted for larger and larger vehicles (mostly trucks and</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">SUVs). Of course, we may be turning a corner in that regard, since I've seen</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">WSJ already use the phrase "post-SUV, post-minivan era".<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I heard the author of _The Long Emergency_ on a podcast, and already had it</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">on my reading list, but bumped it up a bit in the priority and will start</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">reading it as soon as the hold is ready at the lib.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">--<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Sean LeBlanc:<A href="mailto:seanleblanc@comcast.net">seanleblanc@comcast.net</A> <SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="http://sean-leblanc.blogspot.com">http://sean-leblanc.blogspot.com</A>/</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I have no idea what the mind of a lowlife scoundrel is like; but I know what<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">the mind of an honest man is like. 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