<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; ">But, then again, here's the other end of the same spectrum ....<DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 12.0px 0.0px"><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Verdana">“By 1801, however, it became clear that the policy of appeasement had failed. The Pasha of Tripoli, who five years earlier had been satisfied with a payment of $56,000, now demanded increasingly larger sums. When they were not forthcoming, piracy resumed. The same held true for the other Barbary states. The Algerians received payments from the U.S. totaling $990,000 plus another $585,000 in 1793 to cover the ransom of 11 American ships. These were extraordinary sums for a nation with a budget of no more than $7 million, but the appetite of the Muslim states seemed to grow evermore insatiable.</FONT></P></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><A href="http://www.khouse.org/articles/2007/691/">http://www.khouse.org/articles/2007/691/</A></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>... and most think that the current world has grown beyond this type of "diplomacy" in combating terrorism. This was two hundred years ago!!! Notice what solution was taken by Jefferson!!!</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>The real question is: is our Government really trying to create a totalitarian system or is it really protecting our nation? Those of the Nanny State believe any movement toward protecting us is becoming a Totalitarian state. In fact, I was reading somewhere that there are more lawyers involved with this "war on terrorism" than any other "war" that people, especially the US, have fought in the past!!!</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>So, regarding cameras, if the cameras are for protecting from evil doers, then I'm all for it, but if the cameras are to protect the government from it's problems and/or illegal activity, take them down.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Kevin</DIV><DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On Sep 23, 2007, at 9:03 AM, Sean LeBlanc wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">On 09-23 07:47, Michael Fierro wrote:</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Ah, but you forget that the current administration considers such concepts to</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">be quaint and antiquated. Especially since the scary terrorists that we all</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">need to be terrified of, to the point that we give up all of those quaint old</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">freedoms guaranteed us in the Constitution...<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">-Herman Goering</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">--<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Sean LeBlanc:<A href="mailto:seanleblanc@comcast.net">seanleblanc@comcast.net</A> <SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="http://sean-leblanc.blogspot.com">http://sean-leblanc.blogspot.com</A>/</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Being normal is just a figment of everyone else's imagination.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">-Carissa L.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">_______________________________________________</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">clue-talk mailing list</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="mailto:clue-talk@cluedenver.org">clue-talk@cluedenver.org</A></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="http://www.cluedenver.org/mailman/listinfo/clue-talk">http://www.cluedenver.org/mailman/listinfo/clue-talk</A></DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></DIV></BODY></HTML>