<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 11:36 PM, Jeremy Slade <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jeremy@jkslade.net">jeremy@jkslade.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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Sean LeBlanc wrote:<br>
> On 02-05 18:32, Nate Duehr wrote:<br>
>>> Obama has spent most of his adult life surrounded by socialists,<br>
>>> communists, terrorists, and America haters.<br>
>> Sorry, the only reaction such a statement deserves is: pfft.<br>
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>> And that right there (the inability to have a discussion, but to only "pfft"<br>
>> it) is one of the great problems in the country today.<br>
>><br>
>> Talk about why you think he wouldn't be influenced by them, explain how he's<br>
>> stronger than any other man alive and won't fall prey to the most basic of<br>
>> desires to "fit in" in any way, whatever... make an argument. Explain why<br>
>> every Psychology textbook is wrong when it shows that people tend to act<br>
>> like those they are surrounded by.<br>
>><br>
>> Make a stand as to why he's so great if you don't agree, but don't just blow<br>
>> off the real concerns of others with "pfft". That's lame.<br>
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> Okay, if the claim was true, and he spent most of his adult life around such<br>
> types, okay, he could be influenced by them. I don't think even the<br>
> rhetoricians that craft these memes even really mean to say that Obama spent<br>
> most of his life around these types, they are just playing the gotcha game.<br>
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> But I reject the premise. And that's really what I was pffffft'ing.<br>
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> If there is any evidence to the contrary, I'll reconsider. None was offered.<br>
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Surely you jest? Two very publicized instances are William Ayers and<br>
Jeremiah Wright.<br>
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William Ayers = terrorist.<br>
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Jeremiah Wright = America hater.<br>
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Those are not people who happened to travel in the same social circles.<br>
They are people that he actively involved in his life over the course<br>
of many years.<br>
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Don't expect that a discussion here is going to provide you with the<br>
evidence you seek. Evidence of the character of the man Obama is<br>
readily available, and it's your own responsibility to avail yourself of it.<br>
</blockquote><div><br>Wow, so first you make a statement, and then you cover yourself by saying there is no evidence, but it's everyone's individual responsibility to look stuff up and see that you are rights.<br>
<br>I didn't take any debate classes ever, but this sounds just a tad unfair to me.<br><br>Angelo<br> <br></div></div><br>