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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Technically, the device DOES have its own memory… so unless you’ve
FILLED it… you’re backing up your books along with them having your books in
their database… just thought I’d point that out.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>As far as the other formats go, etc… I don’t know. As I
mentioned, one friend is using the Sony, and that’s a more “open” platform, I
suppose. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Similar to Linux, “open” might really mean you can do some
things at a cost of more “DIY” time spent figuring it out, or whatever… I could
ask her how it’s going after a year. They have a Kindle and a Sony in the same
household (but I don’t think they really “share”) and therefore our one
conversation about it over dinner was enlightening – they both liked the
product they chose, but they both said they wouldn’t have bought “the other one”.
LOL! <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Choices, choices. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><br>
Figure it this way… if you got 5 years of service out of a Kindle and it
otherwise met your needs and then Amazon went belly up for some reason… would
the marginal cost of having read, but then lost those books, really mean
anything to you? Are you in it to read, or to build a library… I think that’s
the concept they’re working on here… having a library is nice for certain
things, and I doubt I’d ever give up my most important paper books in the
library for that reason… but there’s an awful lot of stuff I’d read once and
never need again. I think that’s the Kindle market.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>:-)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Nate <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> clue-talk-bounces@cluedenver.org
[mailto:clue-talk-bounces@cluedenver.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>dennisjperkins@comcast.net<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, March 13, 2009 4:27 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> CLUE talk<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [clue-talk] Kindle 2<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>I
don't really like having someone else back up my books. If I need to
restore a book and I can't get on line for some reason, then I'm out of
luck. (This is why I have no interest in cloud computing either.)
And if the company goes out of business, there go my books. If the
company decides it doesn't want to back up books any longer, then what?<br>
<br>
As long as the page update doesn't take long, I don't consider it a
problem. It didn't seem bad when I played with his Kindle.<br>
<br>
I know you can email PDFs to Amazon for conversion. I would like to be
able to do it myself. But can I buy ebooks from someone other than
Amazon? This might become a real issue as ebooks become more
popular. What if a publisher and Amazon don't come to an agreement?
And this could be a real monopoly issue if everyone must go to Amazon.<br>
<br>
----- Original Message -----<br>
From: "Nate Duehr" <nate@natetech.com><br>
To: "CLUE talk" <clue-talk@cluedenver.org><br>
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 2:22:20 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain<br>
Subject: RE: [clue-talk] Kindle 2<br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Wasn’t the person you saw at the meeting, but ANDY IHNATKO
(sp?)’s article at the Sun-Times covers all your questions and more…</span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><a
href="http://www.suntimes.com/business/1451062,ihnatko-kindle-2-review-022609.article"
target="_blank">http://www.suntimes.com/business/1451062,ihnatko-kindle-2-review-022609.article</a></span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>He also has some screenshots and other things at his
website,”The Celestial Waste of Bandwidth”, which has always been a favorite
read…</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><a href="http://ihnatko.com/" target="_blank">http://ihnatko.com/</a></span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>And there’s plenty of links on the Sun-Times site to other
blogs, etc.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>To directly answer your questions as best as I can tell from
reading websites: </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in'><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>-</span><span
style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'>
</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> No, the battery in the Kindle 2 is non-replaceable.</span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in'><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>-</span><span
style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'>
</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> Yes (you send them to an e-mail address at Amazon that
dumps them into the reader, from what I understand, but you may want to confirm
that, as I don’t have one… dead tree books are still free at my County library
and it’s two blocks from my house… so… I haven’t gone digital yet.
Friends tell me that Denver Public Library is now doing DRM’ed PDF’s that
“expire” on many books, and they dump those into their Sony E-Reader… no idea
if the Kindle will handle PDF)</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in'><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>-</span><span
style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'>
</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Books on Amazon’s setup are “stored” on their website in your
Library and you choose which device(s) to copy them into from your “library” as
best as I can tell. (Amazon released a reader app for the iPhone this
week or last week… so you’re not “locked” into the Kindle, and supposedly if
you read on the phone, it’ll keep track roughly of your page number and the
next time you open the book on the Kindle, you’re “close” to where you left
off.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in'><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>-</span><span
style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'>
</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Everything I’ve read about the display says it’s readable in
virtually all light – but of course, no backlighting so no reading in the
dark. There’s also comments about the technology itself… since it’s
“e-ink” the pixels are “painted” and then no power is really required to keep them
active. What this means, for those of us who remember 80’s graphic work
on computers, is that the device has to “paint” a blank screen and then “paint”
the next page each time you hit the page-forward/backward buttons. How
this works out in reality is that it looks like it “flashes”, and some people
can’t get used to it. Ihnatko points out that you have to wait a second
after turning a REAL dead-tree page too, so it’s just a different mindset to
ignore the little “flash” at each page turn, and you adapt rapidly unless you
get hung up on such things, or expected a Laptop LCD screen type display.
He also talks about that there was a real (but small) LCD along the right side
on the Kindle 1 that was “instantaneous” for marking your scroll position on a
page, and the newer Kindle runs a tad faster, so Amazon removed the LCD…
meaning you MIGHT feel a little more “lost” if you can’t count how many times
you hit page-down, etc… but really, everyone seems to say this is all minor
stuff.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in'><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>-</span><span
style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'>
</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>As far as I know, you can’t back up anything to your own
devices. It’s all stored at Amazon.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in'><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>-</span><span
style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'>
</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Final notes… Inhatko points out that the original Kindle had a
standard mini-USB connector for charging. They changed the plug to some
micro-USB thing that’s SUPPOSED to become a standard with the cell phone
industry, but the Kindle 2 is out ahead of the pack on this one… so you have to
remember to bring their custom cable with you to charge. With a week of
charge under most scenarios, it probably doesn’t matter – but it’s an annoyance
for some for now.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Personally, like I said, I’m watching with interest, but I have
such easy access to dead-trees, that I’m not willing to buy… yet. It’s
certainly tempting, but maybe something like a used Kindle 1 would be “fine”
for my purposes, if someone were selling it at a reasonable discount.
Maybe not even then.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Oh forgot one… I *<b>THINK</b>* you can also read things in your
Amazon library on a regular PC/Mac… but not sure. That’d be a key thing
for me, since I almost always have a laptop with me. “Off-line” reading
of those on regular machines (no Internet connection required) would also be a
“must have” for me. Not web-browser based. I haven’t investigated.</span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Nate </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:black'> clue-talk-bounces@cluedenver.org [mailto:clue-talk-bounces@cluedenver.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>dennisjperkins@comcast.net<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, March 13, 2009 1:29 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Clue-Talk<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [clue-talk] Kindle 2</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>I looked at someone's Kindle 2 (sorry, I don't remember your name)
after the meeting this week. I have a few questions about it. Can
you replace the battery? Can you download books from someone other than
Amazon? How readable is the display when you are outside? Can you
back up your books to a computer or USB device, or only to Amazon?</span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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