<html><head><style type='text/css'>p { margin: 0; }</style></head><body><div style='font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000'>It might be worthwhile splitting it into two talks. <br><br>I'm playing with Qemu-kvm, but I want to a comparison of all 4 because I might need to use one of them at work to solve an issue with a development program that is always incompatible with older versions. A new version is issued every year, but customers who already have an older version don't want to spend $3000 to upgrade. Reasonable, but GE doesn't see it that way. So it appears that I will be forced to support multiple versions, each one in a separate Windows image. This will be a nightmare in ten years.<br><br>----- Original Message -----<br>From: "David L. Willson" <DLWillson@TheGeek.NU><br>To: "David Ahern" <dsahern@gmail.com><br>Cc: "CLUE talk" <clue-talk@cluedenver.org><br>Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 12:10:14 PM<br>Subject: Re: [clue-talk] VM shootout<br><br>The whole talk needs to fit into ... what is it? 2 hours? That's not a lot of time.<br><br>David L. Willson<br>Trainer, Engineer, Enthusiast<br>MCT MSCE Network+ A+ Linux+ LPIC-1 NovellCLA UbuntuCP<br>tel://720.333.LANS<br>Freeing people from the tyranny (or whatevery) of Microsofty-ness<br><br>----- "David Ahern" <dsahern@gmail.com> wrote:<br><br>> If the angle is desktop solutions, then certainly ESX, Hyper-V and<br>> Xen<br>> can be omitted. If the angle is a complete discussion of<br>> virtualization<br>> technologies and impacts to linux as a guest (or host) then all of<br>> them<br>> should included if someone will step up.<br>> <br>> Personally, I do not care about xen or Hyper-V. Nonetheless, Xen has<br>> a<br>> fairly large install base, and from what I've read their VDI solution<br>> is<br>> the farthest along -- ie., most features. M$ is always a wildcard,<br>> with<br>> preferences for their technology.<br>> <br>> As for topics, VMware's EULA does not allow distribution of<br>> performance<br>> results without their approval, so that raw performance discussions<br>> are out.<br>> <br>> How about an overview of the technology, options, features, etc, and<br>> how<br>> to install and configure? A basic introduction to the technologies.<br>> Deep-dives require some understanding by the audience.<br>> <br>> David<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> On 08/17/10 09:26, David L. Willson wrote:<br>> > Do you really care about xen, or are you just adding it because it<br>> has some installed base?<br>> > <br>> > How about a 15 minute "show and tell" for each virt, then an<br>> all-presenters panel-discussion for the rest of the time, with some<br>> non-presenter building a feature comparison table as we panel discuss?<br>> Non-presenters would be responsible for coming up with good<br>> questions.<br>> > <br>> > I don't think performance comparison is realistic for the venue, but<br>> maybe someone's got an idea of how to do it quickly and easily?<br>> > <br>> > David L. Willson<br>> > Trainer, Engineer, Enthusiast<br>> > MCT MSCE Network+ A+ Linux+ LPIC-1 NovellCLA UbuntuCP<br>> > tel://720.333.LANS<br>> > Freeing people from the tyranny (or whatevery) of Microsofty-ness<br>> > <br>> > ----- "David Ahern" <dsahern@gmail.com> wrote:<br>> > <br>> >> xen should be added to the list as well.<br>> >><br>> >> David<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> On 08/17/10 07:41, dennisjperkins@comcast.net wrote:<br>> >>> Thanks for volunteering. The talk will be in October instead of<br>> >>> September. October's meeting is at 7 PM on Oct 12, at Oracle's<br>> >> building<br>> >>> on 7700 Technology Way in Denver.<br>> >>><br>> >>> The format still needs to be worked out. I don't know what to<br>> >> suggest<br>> >>> at this point. Installation, how to use, speed? Hopefully the<br>> >> speakers<br>> >>> can agree on what should be discussed.<br>> >>><br>> >>> I'm starting to play with Qemu-kvm but I have a lot to learn<br>> about<br>> >> it,<br>> >>> such as libvirt. I don't notice any sluggishness on a 4-core<br>> Phenom<br>> >> II,<br>> >>> but I do see a little on my laptop with a dual-core Turion. <br>> >>><br>> >>> ----- Original Message -----<br>> >>> From: "David Ahern" <dsahern@gmail.com><br>> >>> To: "CLUE talk" <clue-talk@cluedenver.org><br>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 6:40:48 AM<br>> >>> Subject: Re: [clue-talk] VM shootout<br>> >>><br>> >>> Hi Dennis:<br>> >>><br>> >>> I've been following KVM & qemu for almost 3 years now, and I know<br>> >> it<br>> >>> reasonably well. I was just at the KVM Forum<br>> >>><br>> >>> http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/KVM_Forum_2010#Presentations<br>> >>><br>> >>> and I gave a KVM related talk at LinuxCon 2010:<br>> >>><br>> >>> http://events.linuxfoundation.org/linuxcon2010/ahern<br>> >>><br>> >>> When is the meeting and where?<br>> >>><br>> >>> What is the focus of the shootout: feature comparisons? How to's?<br>> >>><br>> >>> David<br>> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>> On 08/16/10 21:23, Dennis J Perkins wrote:<br>> >>>> There is interest in having a VM shootout for one of our monthly<br>> >>>> meetings. I think we have speakers for VMWare (David Willson)<br>> and<br>> >>>> proxmox (Sean Perry?). We need speakers for VirtualBox and<br>> >> KVM-qemu.<br>> >>>> Would anyone familiar with these be willing to speak?<br>> >>>><br>> >>>> We would like to have this talk in September, if possible.<br>> >>>><br>> >>>><br>> >>>><br>> >>>><br>> >>>> _______________________________________________<br>> >>>> clue-talk mailing list<br>> >>>> clue-talk@cluedenver.org<br>> >>>> http://cluedenver.org/mailman/listinfo/clue-talk<br>> >>> _______________________________________________<br>> >>> clue-talk mailing list<br>> >>> clue-talk@cluedenver.org<br>> >>> http://cluedenver.org/mailman/listinfo/clue-talk<br>> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>> _______________________________________________<br>> >>> clue-talk mailing list<br>> >>> clue-talk@cluedenver.org<br>> >>> http://cluedenver.org/mailman/listinfo/clue-talk<br>> >> _______________________________________________<br>> >> clue-talk mailing list<br>> >> clue-talk@cluedenver.org<br>> >> http://cluedenver.org/mailman/listinfo/clue-talk<br>> > _______________________________________________<br>> > clue-talk mailing list<br>> > clue-talk@cluedenver.org<br>> > http://cluedenver.org/mailman/listinfo/clue-talk<br>_______________________________________________<br>clue-talk mailing list<br>clue-talk@cluedenver.org<br>http://cluedenver.org/mailman/listinfo/clue-talk<br></div></body></html>