Well, I can't speak to KVM I'm still trying to learn it on the desktop, but I can say with supreme confidence that ESXi's biggest problems are that most people don't understand it/misconfigure it. It's hideously complex and modular, and frequently we get calls from people who had to "take over their cluster" after the ESX/ESXi guy "left" and have no experience with the subject. Long story short, I got assigned to "fault" after coming here. That means the people who call because their host crashed and they want to know why, generally end up talking to me or someone like me.<div>
<br></div><div>The net effect is not completely unlike trying to learn about cars by studying crushed cubes at the demolition yard. People like me are a mixed blessing. We may not always know what to do, but we have a pretty strong grasp on what NOT to do.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Mike Bean<br><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Shawn Perry <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:redmop924@comcast.net">redmop924@comcast.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
Awesome. I'd really like to know how ESX(i) holds up to Proxmox/KVM,<br>
which is what I use, unless it's not my site.<br>
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On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 1:40 PM, Mike Bean <<a href="mailto:beandaemon@gmail.com">beandaemon@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> I wouldn't worry, thus far I've been privy to both sides of the discussion.<br>
> I haven't had much contact with the SE's, but I haven't heard many people<br>
> flinch at sticking to mostly technical details. You know, WORST case<br>
> scenario, If I can get enough lead time to prepare, and there's enough<br>
> interest, I'LL do a talk on ESX/ESXi. I'll even bring in my ESXi box. (I<br>
> promise you, I'm a TERRIBLE politician.) The downsides are obvious. 1)<br>
> I believe in the "speak to your audience" philosophy, and I don't really<br>
> know what CLUE wants to know about ESX/ESXi. 2) VMware has allot more<br>
> products then most people think we do, and I have relatively sharply limited<br>
> experience in many of the others. Workstation/View/VDR/Converter/Virtual<br>
> Center...etc....etc...<br>
> I'm not much of a good corporate stooge, but I think the problems that<br>
> remain are mostly logistical ones.<br>
> Mike Bean<br>
> On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Shawn Perry <<a href="mailto:redmop924@comcast.net">redmop924@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> First, it can be an oxy moron.<br>
>><br>
>> Second, we are not the masses, though many of us dream to be.<br>
>><br>
>> Personally, I don't really want something overly technical, though I<br>
>> do want a good amount of technical meat there. I also want something<br>
>> that's not overly salesy (is that a word?), but I don't mind being<br>
>> sold to if sold to properly, in a language I speak. Some sales<br>
>> engineers do that, some do not.<br>
>><br>
>> Shawn<br>
>><br>
>> On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 8:10 AM, Ken Westervelt <<a href="mailto:gimmickless@gmail.com">gimmickless@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>
>> ><br>
>> > And let's also hope we can find people who don't think "technical<br>
>> > presentations for the masses" is an oxymoron.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 7:10 AM, Crawford Rainwater<br>
>> > <<a href="mailto:crawford.rainwater@linux-etc.com">crawford.rainwater@linux-etc.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> > > Shawn:<br>
>> > ><br>
>> > > In a nut shell "yes". Some sales people are not "sales engineers" and<br>
>> > > some are. When the presentation goes into what I would describe as a "used<br>
>> > > car sales pitch" scenario vs. a technical presentation, a Chris and I have<br>
>> > > pointed out, the CLUE attendees often become quite disgruntle. From what I<br>
>> > > am understanding on recent low level of attendees to recent CLUE meetings, I<br>
>> > > would prefer meetings cater towards technical presentations for the masses<br>
>> > > to encourage return visits.<br>
>> > ><br>
>> > > FWIW.<br>
>> > ><br>
>> > > --- Crawford<br>
>> > > CLUE Admin<br>
>> > ><br>
>> > > The Linux ETC Company<br>
>> > > 10121 Yates Court<br>
>> > > Westminster, CO 80031 USA<br>
>> > > voice: +1.303.604.2550<br>
>> > > web: <a href="http://www.linux-etc.com" target="_blank">http://www.linux-etc.com</a><br>
>> > ><br>
>> > > ----- Shawn Perry <<a href="mailto:redmop924@comcast.net">redmop924@comcast.net</a>> wrote: -----<br>
>> > >><br>
>> > >> That is simply because the sales team did not do the proper research<br>
>> > >> so they<br>
>> > >> could bring the proper tools or information to the meeting. A common<br>
>> > >> problem.<br>
>> > >><br>
>> > >> So the issue isn't with all sales people, but instead with unprepared<br>
>> > >> sales<br>
>> > >> people?<br>
>> > >><br>
>> > >> On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 9:47 PM, chris fedde <<a href="mailto:chris@fedde.us">chris@fedde.us</a>> wrote:<br>
>> > >><br>
>> > >> > Much of the time sales people have a hard time fielding detailed<br>
>> > >> > questions about their product. Frequently they need to hand such<br>
>> > >> > questions off to a CE or other technical support. Presentations by<br>
>> > >> > sales people at a gathering like CLUE sometimes end up as a waste<br>
>> > >> > of<br>
>> > >> > both parties time.<br>
>> > >> ><br>
>> > >> > On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 10:42 PM, Shawn Perry<br>
>> > >> > <<a href="mailto:redmop924@comcast.net">redmop924@comcast.net</a>><br>
>> > >> > wrote:<br>
>> > >> > > What is so bad about sales people anyway?<br>
>> > >> > ><br>
>> > ><br>
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