[CLUE-Tech] RE: Recommended DSL
Dan Vande More
dvm at gwtr.com
Sun Dec 9 08:45:13 MST 2001
I initially signed up with Qwest/MSN. MSN was terrible. The sent me an
arescom modem that performed NAT and gave my inside computer addresses of
192.168.1.x. And of course it's subnet was 255.255.255.252(I think) so I
could only hook up 1 computer on it. One address was the modem/router and
the other was the computer. Fine I thought, no big deal. But then my Cisco
VPN Client would not work to my PIX515 at work. So I tried to get MSN to get
me another modem, they would not, they would rather see me cancel.
So I canceled, had to wait 3 weeks. Then I had to reorder, another 3 weeks.
I purchased Qwest 640/256 and choose my own provider which is FirstLink or
Denver Online. A major reason I did was because I interviewed with these
guys a few months ago and I met with their staff and saw their offices, in
which I was quite impressed.
I purchased the $95 Cisco 678 because the other guys were right when they
said the pci and usb ones are junk. Trust me I have a few sitting around
home here. Firstlink gave me the choice of Bridged or PPP and I chose
Bridged because with my VPN I want the connection to be as straight-through
and as less packet-mangling as possible. I experienced a little downtime
last week so I called Firstlink, they said it was Qwest. About an hour later
it came back on and 5 seconds after that Firstlink called and said it should
be back on. Keep in mind that I am a consumer, not one of their businesses.
Steve Sandifer (manager) was my point of contact. He even sent me a
Christmas card:)
Static IP is $10 a month and their service is $25. Qwest I think is $31.
No other downtime and I don't expect there to be much.
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2. Re: DSL Recommendations (Brandon N)
3. Re: DSL Recommendations (Brandon N)
4. Re: DSL Recommendations (Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier)
5. Re: DSL Recommendations (Frank Whiteley)
6. Re: drive formatting (Dave Anselmi)
7. Re: DSL Recommendations (Jeffery Cann)
8. Re: DSL Recommendations (Timothy C. Klein)
9. Re: DSL Recommendations (Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier)
10. RE: AT&T Purchase by AOL or Microsoft? (was: [CLUE-Tech] DSL
Recommendations) (Jeffery Cann)
11. Re: AT&T Purchase by AOL or Microsoft? (was: [CLUE-Tech] DSL
Recommendations) (Steve Fry)
12. Re: AT&T Purchase by AOL or Microsoft? (was: [CLUE-Tech] DSL
Recommendations) (Tom Poindexter)
13. Re: DSL Recommendations (Mike Staver)
14. Re: DSL Recommendations (Timothy C. Klein)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 00:23:37 -0700 (MST)
From: Matt Gushee <mgushee at hypermall.net>
To: clue-tech at clue.denver.co.us
Subject: Re: [CLUE-Tech] drive formatting
<20011204001535.GA12336 at keats>
Reply-To: clue-tech at clue.denver.co.us
Timothy C. Klein writes:
> If you can, use cfdisk, as seems a bit easier at first, as it seems
> easier for the partition type.
I recently read somewhere -- may have been the Debian Guide -- that
cfdisk is recommended over fdisk. Apparently in a few cases fdisk gets
partition boundaries wrong, whereas cfdisk doesn't. I wouldn't be too
scared about that ... I've been using Linux fdisk for 5 years and have
never had problems with it, nor has anybody I know (except for those
horrible failing-to-think kind of problems). But I thought it was
worth mentioning.
Matt Gushee
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 06:49:51 -0800 (PST)
From: Brandon N <bneill at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [CLUE-Tech] DSL Recommendations
To: clue-tech at clue.denver.co.us
Reply-To: clue-tech at clue.denver.co.us
> 0. Do you recommend DSL? What is your connection package? I am
> looking at the
> standard 256 upload / download with 'choose my own isp' option.
> 1. Who is your ISP? Do you like their service? What is monthly
> cost? Do you
> recommend the company?
>
> 2. How is DSL setup under Linux? Do they assign static IPs or DHCP?
> Anything
> special here?
either, it depends on the company
> 3. The Qwest page talks about 'modems'. I can only assume they are
> talking
> about a router, right? Much like my cable 'modem' is actually a
> bridge, the
> company uses the term 'modem' as a catch-all network connection.
> Anyway, based
> on my experiences, the external option seems less problematic. Are
> you using
> internal or external 'modem'?
Yeah, in fact, the one you have to get from Qwest to use Linux, they
actually call a router, and it's external, I think it was around
$200-$300
> 4. Finally, how is the reliability? Unlike some @home users, my
> cable modem is
> (was) rock-solid reliable.
When I had DSL, it worked as reliably as my @home, but if I were you, I
would keep the @home for a month and compare the two, both tend to vary
by location.
Brandon
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 07:14:15 -0800 (PST)
From: Brandon N <bneill at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [CLUE-Tech] DSL Recommendations
To: clue-tech at clue.denver.co.us
Reply-To: clue-tech at clue.denver.co.us
--- Richard Knechtel <krs3 at qwest.net> wrote:
> I DO NOT recomend Qwest. Everyone (home users) are being forced onto
> MSN. I
> am going to be leaving qwest myself.. I asked qwest if I could not
> be
> switched - their answer pay more $$$$ and upgrade to their Office
> package
> (business service). This is a crock! businesses don't have to switch
> but
> home users do. Stay as far away from Qwest as possible.
>
> Just my two cents worth!
I agree, but keep in mind that is using Qwest as an ISP, not using
Qwest as the DSL provider.
Another item worthy of note, Microsoft and AOL are both trying to buy
AT&T Broadband.
Brandon
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 08:37:28 -0700
From: "Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier" <jbrockmeier at earthlink.net>
To: clue-tech at clue.denver.co.us
Subject: Re: [CLUE-Tech] DSL Recommendations
Reply-To: clue-tech at clue.denver.co.us
Brandon N wrote:
> --- Richard Knechtel <krs3 at qwest.net> wrote:
>
>>I DO NOT recomend Qwest. Everyone (home users) are being forced onto
>>MSN. I
>>am going to be leaving qwest myself.. I asked qwest if I could not
>>be
>>switched - their answer pay more $$$$ and upgrade to their Office
>>package
>>(business service). This is a crock! businesses don't have to switch
>>but
>>home users do. Stay as far away from Qwest as possible.
>>
>>Just my two cents worth!
>>
>
> I agree, but keep in mind that is using Qwest as an ISP, not using
> Qwest as the DSL provider.
>
> Another item worthy of note, Microsoft and AOL are both trying to buy
> AT&T Broadband.
Yes, and God help us all if that goes through -- no more Linux on @Home
if that happens.
If analysts are to be believed, though, AT&T is more likely to spin the
unit off than to sell it. I certainly hope so, I feel like my options
are shrinking by the day.
Zonker
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Message: 5
From: "Frank Whiteley" <techzone at greeleynet.com>
To: <clue-tech at clue.denver.co.us>
Subject: Re: [CLUE-Tech] DSL Recommendations
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 08:39:31 -0700
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Gushee" <mgushee at hypermall.net>
To: <clue-tech at clue.denver.co.us>
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 12:16 AM
Subject: [CLUE-Tech] DSL Recommendations
<snipped painful part>
> > 2. How is DSL setup under Linux? Do they assign static IPs or DHCP?
Anything
> > special here?
>
> I think most ISPs will give you a dynamic IP, but often offer static
> as an option, sometimes for a few extra $ ... except it isn't always
> really a static IP. I think sometimes what they call a static IP is
> really a DHCP reservation or something similar, which can have
> consequences for, e.g. accessing your office through a firewall.
>
This is likely a configuration issue. Some VPN clients 'like' serial
connections, so you might find some issues with NAT enabled. The CISCO 67X
will allow you to route a specific port to a particular box, including
private IP space. It also will support up to four subnets using eth0, and
vip0 - vip2 so you can mix NAT and public IP space. Mapping ports is
required even for more trivial solutions like printing from the new FEDEX
label printers. Calling FEDEX was useless as their answer was simply that
ports 7443, 443, 80, and 21 had to be open. The real answer is the external
IP address, ports, and protocol has to be mapped to the box where the
printer is installed. Quite a few small businesses are struggling with this
at the moment if the calls I've been getting are any indication. A static
IP is needed to make this stable, since a momentary interrruption will
likely cause a change in dynamic IP assignment, meaning you'd have to remap
the ports each time this happens.
The CISCO can be configured in PPP or bridged mode. PPP is recommended
since it will auto-connect if there is a momentary interruption. The bridge
mode may require your ISP to reset the circuit. This usually means if you
are usually public IPs, you will also need a static IP to route to those
public IPs.
> > 3. The Qwest page talks about 'modems'. I can only assume they are
talking
> > about a router, right? Much like my cable 'modem' is actually a
bridge, the
>
> I guess they're a kind of router, although they don't have all the
> capabilities of a normal router -- I guess; I'm not very familiar with
> routers. I suppose they think the term modem is non-threatening to the
> average Joe. Then again, Cisco uses some other jargon for them.
>
The CISCO67X on DSL is an okay router. You can add sophistication with the
Cisco PIX 506 and 515 Secure Firewalls.
> > company uses the term 'modem' as a catch-all network connection.
Anyway, based
> > on my experiences, the external option seems less problematic. Are you
using
> > internal or external 'modem'?
>
Yeah, cable users have been calling for a dial-up connection. We ask if
they have a modem, and they say sure. BZZZT. In most cases so far, there's
no modem in the box when we get there. They think the cable device is a
modem. At least we've been able to provide them with a modem on the spot;^)
Some folks can't afford to wait. Interesting how those folks who've set up
the cable service have removed and walked off with the modems and customers
have let them.
Pay $95 for the CISCO67X, forget the Internal or USB devices. You'll have
many more future options, like MACs, Linux, home networking, etc.
> I have a Cisco 678 external device. And yes, I'd say it's less
> problematic, or really not problematic at all. If you plug your
> external "modem" to an ethernet hub, you can then connect one or more
> 'puters to the hub just like any other LAN. The "modem" does NAT, and
> you can set it to act as a DHCP server if you like. Cisco provides a
> reasonably well-documented command line interface for configuring
> everything. Although you'll get instructions telling you to use the
> Windows app they provide, you really don't need to use that. You can
> connect to the Cisco 678 through a serial connection, telnet, or http
> (the latter two are on by default but can be disabled for better
> security).
>
Yes, except that written documentation is severely lacking, as is Qwest
tier-one, tier-two support for 'non-standard' applications.
Frank Whiteley
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 08:45:25 -0700
From: Dave Anselmi <anselmi at americanisp.net>
To: clue-tech at clue.denver.co.us
Subject: Re: [CLUE-Tech] drive formatting
<20011204001535.GA12336 at keats>
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Reply-To: clue-tech at clue.denver.co.us
Matt Gushee wrote:
> I recently read somewhere -- may have been the Debian Guide -- that
> cfdisk is recommended over fdisk. Apparently in a few cases fdisk gets
> partition boundaries wrong, whereas cfdisk doesn't. I wouldn't be too
> scared about that ... I've been using Linux fdisk for 5 years and have
> never had problems with it, nor has anybody I know (except for those
> horrible failing-to-think kind of problems). But I thought it was
> worth mentioning.
The fdisk man page says that cfdisk makes high quality partition tables.
I infer that it has to do with partitions ending on cylinder boundaries,
which DOS requires but Linux doesn't. cfdisk is more helpful trying to
make something that works with DOS. Don't know if that matters any more.
One thing that confused me at first with cfdisk is that it won't show you
an extended partition if you have one, just the logical partitions. So it
might show you hda1, hda5, hda6 while fdisk shows hda1, hda2, hda5, hda6.
No big deal, just be aware of what is happening if you use both.
Dave
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 08:03:48 -0800 (PST)
From: Jeffery Cann <jc_cann at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [CLUE-Tech] DSL Recommendations
To: clue-tech at clue.denver.co.us
Reply-To: clue-tech at clue.denver.co.us
Richard,
My understanding is that I am free to choose my own ISP. In fact, their web
site provides a list of available ISPs (about 20 companies for my location).
I have seen marketing that encourages folks to use MSN, but I have not yet
seen
anything that indicates Qwest users are forced. Do you have any URLs?
Thanks
Jeff
--- Richard Knechtel <krs3 at qwest.net> wrote:
> I DO NOT recomend Qwest. Everyone (home users) are being forced onto MSN.
I
> am going to be leaving qwest myself.. I asked qwest if I could not be
> switched - their answer pay more $$$$ and upgrade to their Office package
> (business service). This is a crock! businesses don't have to switch but
> home users do. Stay as far away from Qwest as possible.
>
> Just my two cents worth!
>
>
> At 11:35 AM 12/3/01 -0800, you wrote:
> >Greetings.
> >
> >After using my sister-in-laws DSL connection in Miami, I am considering
> >switching to DSL from AT&T cable modem (especially since AT&T left us
@home
> >users hanging while they play hard-ball with Excite and the FTC).
> >
> >Probably, I will wait until AT&T gets their new network up and running
> >before I
> >decide to switch. But there are several compelling reasons to go with
DSL
> >over
> >cable. When I originally got the @home service 2 years ago, DSL was
> >unavailable even though I live 2 blocks from the Qwest switch. Now, that
> it's
> >available, now may be an opportune time to switch.
> >
> >I am have a few questions for those who have the service from Qwest:
> >
> >0. Do you recommend DSL? What is your connection package? I am looking
> >at the
> >standard 256 upload / download with 'choose my own isp' option.
> >
> >1. Who is your ISP? Do you like their service? What is monthly cost?
Do
> you
> >recommend the company?
> >
> >2. How is DSL setup under Linux? Do they assign static IPs or DHCP?
> Anything
> >special here?
> >
> >3. The Qwest page talks about 'modems'. I can only assume they are
talking
> >about a router, right? Much like my cable 'modem' is actually a bridge,
the
> >company uses the term 'modem' as a catch-all network connection. Anyway,
> >based
> >on my experiences, the external option seems less problematic. Are you
> using
> >internal or external 'modem'?
> >
> >4. Finally, how is the reliability? Unlike some @home users, my cable
> >modem is
> >(was) rock-solid reliable.
> >
> >TIA,
> >Jeff
> >
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 09:07:56 -0700
From: "Timothy C. Klein" <teece at silverklein.net>
To: clue-tech at clue.denver.co.us
Subject: Re: [CLUE-Tech] DSL Recommendations
Reply-To: clue-tech at clue.denver.co.us
I am using Forethought.net, and I can recommend them. 20 bucks gets me
the usual ISP services, plus a couple of static IPs, which I like.
Go with Qwest for the DSL line, rather than a CLEC like Covad or the
like. These are uncertain times for the TELCO industry, especially
those that are competitors on the local loop. Who knows how long they
will be around. (NOTE: Full Disclosure: I work for Qwest. But if I
felt they were stable, and weren't so expensive, *I* would go with a
CLEC. I have seen Qwest *service* first hand)
You pretty much have no choice when it comes to the DSL customer
premises equipment. You get the Cisco 678. The Intel products (both
the internal PCI, and the external USB) are proprietary
products, and Intel has no desire to release specs, or make a Linux
driver. They will only work in Windows. The Cisco 675 is no longer
available, as it supports the CAP line encoding protocol, rather than
DMT, and Qwest doesn't install those anymore. The 675 is grand-fathered.
Note: none of these are modems. That is the common term, but it is
incorrect. These are devices that decode the digital DSL signal on the
phone line, turn it into ATM, and deliver the data to you computer in
some way (pci, usb, Ethernet). In the case of the Cisco, it is also a
router.
HTH,
Tim
* Jeffery Cann (jc_cann at yahoo.com) wrote:
> Greetings.
>
> After using my sister-in-laws DSL connection in Miami, I am considering
> switching to DSL from AT&T cable modem (especially since AT&T left us
@home
> users hanging while they play hard-ball with Excite and the FTC).
>
> Probably, I will wait until AT&T gets their new network up and running
before I
> decide to switch. But there are several compelling reasons to go with DSL
over
> cable. When I originally got the @home service 2 years ago, DSL was
> unavailable even though I live 2 blocks from the Qwest switch. Now, that
it's
> available, now may be an opportune time to switch.
>
> I am have a few questions for those who have the service from Qwest:
>
> 0. Do you recommend DSL? What is your connection package? I am looking
at the
> standard 256 upload / download with 'choose my own isp' option.
>
> 1. Who is your ISP? Do you like their service? What is monthly cost? Do
you
> recommend the company?
>
> 2. How is DSL setup under Linux? Do they assign static IPs or DHCP?
Anything
> special here?
>
> 3. The Qwest page talks about 'modems'. I can only assume they are
talking
> about a router, right? Much like my cable 'modem' is actually a bridge,
the
> company uses the term 'modem' as a catch-all network connection. Anyway,
based
> on my experiences, the external option seems less problematic. Are you
using
> internal or external 'modem'?
>
> 4. Finally, how is the reliability? Unlike some @home users, my cable
modem is
> (was) rock-solid reliable.
>
> TIA,
> Jeff
>
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 09:22:01 -0700
From: "Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier" <jbrockmeier at earthlink.net>
To: clue-tech at clue.denver.co.us
Subject: Re: [CLUE-Tech] DSL Recommendations
Reply-To: clue-tech at clue.denver.co.us
Timothy C. Klein wrote:
*snip*
> You pretty much have no choice when it comes to the DSL customer
> premises equipment. You get the Cisco 678. The Intel products (both
> the internal PCI, and the external USB) are proprietary
> products, and Intel has no desire to release specs, or make a Linux
> driver. They will only work in Windows. The Cisco 675 is no longer
> available, as it supports the CAP line encoding protocol, rather than
> DMT, and Qwest doesn't install those anymore. The 675 is grand-fathered.
> Note: none of these are modems. That is the common term, but it is
> incorrect. These are devices that decode the digital DSL signal on the
> phone line, turn it into ATM, and deliver the data to you computer in
> some way (pci, usb, Ethernet). In the case of the Cisco, it is also a
> router.
I had Qwest DSL before I moved, and dropped it in favor of @Home, but I
still have a 675 -- does anyone know if I could use the 675 if I signed
up again?
If not, anybody know of a good use for one? Seems a waste to have it
just gathering dust...
Zonker
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 08:30:45 -0800 (PST)
From: Jeffery Cann <jc_cann at yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: AT&T Purchase by AOL or Microsoft? (was: [CLUE-Tech] DSL
Recommendations)
To: clue-tech at clue.denver.co.us
Reply-To: clue-tech at clue.denver.co.us
Brandon,
It's news to me that M$ or AOL want to buy AT&T Broadband. I did a quick
search of google and did not find anything. Do you have a news link for
this?
Thanks
--- Brandon N bneill at yahoo.com wrote:
> I agree, but keep in mind that is using Qwest as an ISP, not using
> Qwest as the DSL provider.
>
> Another item worthy of note, Microsoft and AOL are both trying to buy
> AT&T Broadband.
>
> Brandon
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 09:35:28 -0700
From: Steve Fry <clue at ir3w.com>
Organization: IR3W Web Services
To: clue-tech at clue.denver.co.us
Subject: Re: AT&T Purchase by AOL or Microsoft? (was: [CLUE-Tech] DSL
Recommendations)
Reply-To: clue-tech at clue.denver.co.us
Microsoft mentioned as AT&T cable partner
http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1002,33%257E252524,00.html
[I've been wanting to drop ATT Broadband and go with a dish - so if/when
this baby goes through, I'll call ATT first thing (on that day) and drop
them like a hot potato.]
Jeffery Cann wrote:
> Brandon,
> It's news to me that M$ or AOL want to buy AT&T Broadband. I did a quick
> search of google and did not find anything. Do you have a news link for
this?
>
> Thanks
>
> --- Brandon N bneill at yahoo.com wrote:
> > I agree, but keep in mind that is using Qwest as an ISP, not using
> > Qwest as the DSL provider.
> >
> > Another item worthy of note, Microsoft and AOL are both trying to buy
> > AT&T Broadband.
> >
> > Brandon
>
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 09:39:54 -0700
From: Tom Poindexter <tpoindex at nyx.net>
To: clue-tech at clue.denver.co.us
Subject: Re: AT&T Purchase by AOL or Microsoft? (was: [CLUE-Tech] DSL
Recommendations)
Reply-To: clue-tech at clue.denver.co.us
Denver Post ran an article in this morning's paper:
http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1002,33%257E252524,00.html
On Tue, Dec 04, 2001 at 08:30:45AM -0800, Jeffery Cann wrote:
> Brandon,
>
> It's news to me that M$ or AOL want to buy AT&T Broadband. I did a quick
> search of google and did not find anything. Do you have a news link for
this?
>
> Thanks
>
> --- Brandon N bneill at yahoo.com wrote:
> > I agree, but keep in mind that is using Qwest as an ISP, not using
> > Qwest as the DSL provider.
> >
> > Another item worthy of note, Microsoft and AOL are both trying to buy
> > AT&T Broadband.
> >
> > Brandon
>
>
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 09:55:43 -0700
From: Mike Staver <staver at fimble.com>
To: clue-tech at clue.denver.co.us
Subject: Re: [CLUE-Tech] DSL Recommendations
Reply-To: clue-tech at clue.denver.co.us
Yep, I have the 675 and once I updated the cbos and turned off port 80,
mine works great and doesn't crash because of the stupid IIS worms :)
Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier wrote:
>
> Timothy C. Klein wrote:
>
> *snip*
> > You pretty much have no choice when it comes to the DSL customer
> > premises equipment. You get the Cisco 678. The Intel products (both
> > the internal PCI, and the external USB) are proprietary
> > products, and Intel has no desire to release specs, or make a Linux
> > driver. They will only work in Windows. The Cisco 675 is no longer
> > available, as it supports the CAP line encoding protocol, rather than
> > DMT, and Qwest doesn't install those anymore. The 675 is
grand-fathered.
> > Note: none of these are modems. That is the common term, but it is
> > incorrect. These are devices that decode the digital DSL signal on the
> > phone line, turn it into ATM, and deliver the data to you computer in
> > some way (pci, usb, Ethernet). In the case of the Cisco, it is also a
> > router.
>
> I had Qwest DSL before I moved, and dropped it in favor of @Home, but I
> still have a 675 -- does anyone know if I could use the 675 if I signed
> up again?
>
> If not, anybody know of a good use for one? Seems a waste to have it
> just gathering dust...
>
> Zonker
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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 10:27:18 -0700
From: "Timothy C. Klein" <teece at silverklein.net>
To: clue-tech at clue.denver.co.us
Subject: Re: [CLUE-Tech] DSL Recommendations
Reply-To: clue-tech at clue.denver.co.us
I don't think it will work. It works fine on DSL installed about a year
or more ago, but any new service will be installed using DMT, rather than
CAP, encoding. The 675 onlp speaks CAP, and Qwest won't install that
new anymore. So new service probably wouldn't work with it. But
someone that has had servie for a while could use it.
Tim
* Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier (jbrockmeier at earthlink.net) wrote:
> Timothy C. Klein wrote:
>
> *snip*
> >You pretty much have no choice when it comes to the DSL customer
> >premises equipment. You get the Cisco 678. The Intel products (both
> >the internal PCI, and the external USB) are proprietary
> >products, and Intel has no desire to release specs, or make a Linux
> >driver. They will only work in Windows. The Cisco 675 is no longer
> >available, as it supports the CAP line encoding protocol, rather than
> >DMT, and Qwest doesn't install those anymore. The 675 is grand-fathered.
> >Note: none of these are modems. That is the common term, but it is
> >incorrect. These are devices that decode the digital DSL signal on the
> >phone line, turn it into ATM, and deliver the data to you computer in
> >some way (pci, usb, Ethernet). In the case of the Cisco, it is also a
> >router.
>
>
> I had Qwest DSL before I moved, and dropped it in favor of @Home, but I
> still have a 675 -- does anyone know if I could use the 675 if I signed
> up again?
>
> If not, anybody know of a good use for one? Seems a waste to have it
> just gathering dust...
>
> Zonker
> --
> Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier -=- jbrockmeier at earthlink.net
> http://www.DissociatedPress.net/
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