[CLUE-Tech] Re: "Hmm... I I disagree."

[Sean LeBlanc]

On 05-23 22:16, David Anselmi wrote:
> Joe Linux wrote:
> > 
> > I don't understand why people can't just live and let live.
> 
> Try following 300+ emails each day on various mailing lists.  People who
> feel strongly about netiquette feel that way because it makes a big
> difference to them.

I agree with Dave here. Avidly. Top-posting vs. bottom posting is no more a
"personal style" issue than left-side of the road vs. right-side of the road
driving (in the U.S.) is. Top-posting has only come into use in the past few
years, and it's mostly out of ignorance combined with badly-written email
clients. Inter-office emails from folks not steeped in the culture I can
take, but trying to follow a technical thread that has the occasional
top-poster is awful. I try to stay quiet about it, but since the topic came
up...let me just say it matters.

<snip>

> There are plenty of good papers on the 'net about this, and we should
> reference them on our list charters but I don't have them handy.

Here's one:
http://fmf.fwn.rug.nl/~anton/topposting.html

They basically conclude that there is really no valid reason to top-post,
and I could not agree more...esp. when it comes to technical topics among
and with folks who are (usually) more steeped in the culture and history of
the Internet. 

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bof wrote:


> But when I changed the directory permissions to -w--w--w-,  I could not 
> add a new file or delete any of the existing files, getting a 
> "permission denied" message. This is not as I understand it: I should be 
> able to do this.

As I understand it, this is because a utility cannot write a file to a 
directory unless it can "see" (r) the files in the directory and the 
same goes for deleting a file. For example, rm returns an error if you 
try to remove a file that does not exist. The first thing it does 
(AFAIK) is to "look" to see if the file in fact exists before attempting 
to remove it, then checks the permissions before trying to remove it and 
finally, it will actually remove it if test 1 and test 2 have passed. If 
file does not exist, error. If file exists but you do not have 
sufficient permissions, error. It must read the file before it can 
decide this, though. I imagine that most of the other GNU utilies 
perform the same checks.

Take care,

Zonker
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