[CLUE-Tech] Updating RH9

[Kirk Rafferty]

I just want to briefly step up on a soapbox.  This isn't directed at
Andrew or anyone specifically, it's just an observation that I thought
I'd fork onto the thread.

There are typically two kinds of Red Hat posts on this and other Linux
lists:

1) Red Hat are being overly restrictive and money-grubbing with their
   Enterprise products.  They're even abandoning the hobbyist market,
   who were their staunchest and most loyal supporters.

2) How can I avoid paying Red Hat for updates?

As IT people, we are generally in the upper tiers of the middle-class income
bracket.  Even in this economy, those of us fortunate enough to be working
are doing pretty well. (if you're a student or unemployed, or are in a
very tight financial situation, then obviously this doesn't apply.)

A RHN account is $60/year.  That's much less than you pay for cable, DSL,
and even dialup.  It's about the cost of a decent dinner and movie for two.
And it's much much less than the cost of Windows XP and all it's assorted
happiness.

As I see it, the writing is on the wall for hobbyists using Red Hat.  If
hobbyists are not supporting Red Hat financially, then the day will come
when even your gratis account is gone.  Eventually, they'll abandon the
hobbyist distro for good.

To which you may reply, "fine, I'll roll my own RPMs, or use Debian or SuSe,
etc."  But that would be missing the point.  There's obviously a reason
you're using Red Hat.  You obviously find some value in it, or you'd be
using a different distro already.  So why not continue to support that
effort?  Why not show Red Hat that there really is a "small consumer"
market for their products, before they completely abandon it for the
enterprise?

Okay, stepping off soap box now.  Hey, how about that Darl Mcbride, is he
a big poopy head, or what? :)

Regards,
Kirk

On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 01:24:30AM -0700, Joe Daily wrote:
> If I remember right, from when i did some scripts for that pupose
> if you 
> 
> 1. up2date -du this puts the updated rpms in /var/spool/up2date and 
> 2. cp them to the selected machines 
> 3. use up2date --install on each machine
> 
> now this will generate some network traffic but only to sync the package
> headers with the redhat network so you can keep track of machines.
> 
> If you are just trying to use a demo account you will have to set up a
> while loop in bach to rpm -Uvh the dwonloaded files.
> 
> may the source bet with you...
> 
> joe
> 
> if you are trying to just use a demo account.
> n Thu, 2003-10-30 at 09:28, Michael Robbert wrote:
> > I guess this would depend on how you're getting your updates. If you're 
> > manually going to a site and downloading them this wouldn't be a 
> > problem. Of course I just cringe at grabbing and applying all of my 
> > updates manually. If you're using the Red Hat Network with up2date I'm 
> > pretty sure that there is a way to save downloaded updates, but I 
> > haven't used that in so long I wouldn't know where to look for that. If 
> > you go that route you must also remember that the one system you run 
> > up2date on will only grab updates for packages that are installed on it. 
> > If your other systems have a different set of packages they won't get 
> > the updates. The other problem with that is you'll only be able to use 
> > up2date on the one system and you'll still need to manually update the 
> > other systems unless you want to write your own scripts to push or pull 
> > the local updates.
> > Since I have a nice fat and free connection(at work at least) I just use 
> > rsync to keep a full mirror of one of the download sites. I then use the 
> > scripts found at freshrpms.net to create an apt repository out of the 
> > mirror and I use apt4rpm to update each of my systems.
> > 
> > acamp wrote:
> > > Hello All,
> > > 
> > > I want to update 1 RH9 system, and then have local files
> > > to build an update CD for other systems, or better yet,
> > > be able to push update files across my local network.
> > > 
> > > Does anyone know how to save the downloaded updates, and manually
> > > install them on another system?
> > > 
> > > Thanks
> > > Andrew Campagnola
> > > acamp at linuxonsite.com
> > > 
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