> A difference of opinion creates the market palace. The cathedral (palace) and the bazaar, eh? If you find yourself uncomfortable in the Linux command-line environment, may I suggest that you read a Most Excellent book I have found for introducing the reader to the awesome power of being only one step (a few keystrokes, actually) from a program- ming environment, where one can write programs that do very useful things in a very short amount of time: "The UNIX Programming Environment" by Brian Kernighan and Rob Pike. This book goes all the way from a very basic introduction to the UNIX operating environment and how it works, to a basic introduction of the shell, to an in-depth look at how to get very useful things done with a minimum of work and time spent on it by using the very powerful programming tools that come built-in to the shell and the UNIX environment. A poorly designed GUI is hell, but so is a poorly designed CLI (COMMAND.COM anyone?). UNIX benefits from a very well-designed CLI (the shells), and with a little bit of training and the willingness to learn, you can do great things in a CLI that are, in some cases, not even possible in a GUI. If you are interested in learning how the Linux shell CLI works and how to use it, I recommend this book. If you are unable or unwilling to learn about it, or just aren't interested, then don't waste your $$. My copy cost me about $30 I think, but it's been several years since I bought it. I believe it is still in print. You should be able to get it from Softpro, Fatbrain, bn.com, amazon, etc. > Grant Johnson wrote: > > > > Cyberclops wrote: > > > > > > This is one of the reasons why the /cli/suks/imo > > Actually, this is why the cli is great. -- Jim Ockers (ockers@ockers.net) Ask me about Linux! Contact info: please see http://www.ockers.net/ Fight Spam! Join CAUCE (Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial Email) at http://www.cauce.org/ .