Jeff & Kevin, I think this might be better suited to a full session. I recommend Kevin Fenzi to present the session, since he's probably one of the most qualified guys around to do it. If you can't get him, I can muddle my way through most of the important stuff. I'm sure there are guys other than Kevin or myself who could talk about this too, so if there are any volunteers I'm sure Jeff would love to hear from you. > How about a KISS regarding this security stuff, I'm still somewhat lost > as to how this stuff works and how to find out how to troubleshoot it. -- Jim Ockers (ockers@ockers.net) Ask me about Linux! Contact info: please see http://www.ockers.net/ Fight Spam! Join CAUCE (Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial Email) at http://www.cauce.org/ .