<html><head><style type='text/css'>p { margin: 0; }</style></head><body><div style='font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000'>AARGH! Change the subject line!<br><br>David L. Willson<br>Trainer, Engineer, Enthusiast<br>RHCE MCT MCSE Network+ A+ Linux+ LPIC-1 NovellCLA UbuntuCP<br>tel://720.333.LANS<br>Freedom is better when you earn it. Learn Linux.<br><br>----- "Philipp Giddings" <phil9x@gmail.com> wrote:
<br>> Missed it last night and I won't be here next week.<br>> See you in January<br>> <br>> <div class="gmail_quote">> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 11:33 AM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:clue-tech-request@cluedenver.org" target="_blank">clue-tech-request@cluedenver.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>>
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1. Re: Meetings (David "Barahon" Willson)<br>>
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3. Re: TCP/IP and the Bufferbloat Problem (Collins Richey)<br>>
4. Re: Meetings (Collins Richey)<br>>
5. Re: SME Server (Collins Richey)<br>>
6. Re: SME Server (David L. Willson)<br>>
7. Re: TCP/IP and the Bufferbloat Problem (Jim Ockers)<br>>
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Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 07:41:53 -0700<br>>
From: "David \"Barahon\" Willson"<DLWillson@TheGeek.NU><br>>
Subject: Re: [clue-tech] Meetings<br>>
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Meetings are on second tuesday. Yesterday was first tuesday. This post seems<br>>
to be evidence of the unified list might be more useful.<br>>
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Maybe. It looks more like someone didn't realize when December started. I started out this week thinking we were meeting this week myself.<br>>
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Meetings are on second tuesday. Yesterday was first tuesday. This post seems to be evidence of the unified list might be more useful.<br>>
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Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 10:03:45 -0600<br>>
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Subject: Re: [clue-tech] TCP/IP and the Bufferbloat Problem<br>>
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On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 7:24 PM, Jed S. Baer <<a href="mailto:cluemail@jbaer.cotse.net" target="_blank">cluemail@jbaer.cotse.net</a>> wrote:<br>>
> Fascinating read. Even if I didn't understand a lot of it.<br>>
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> <a href="https://gettys.wordpress.com/2010/12/06/whose-house-is-of-glasse-must-not-throw-stones-at-another/" target="_blank">https://gettys.wordpress.com/2010/12/06/whose-house-is-of-glasse-must-not-throw-stones-at-another/</a><br>>
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Most of us have the general impression "lots of buffers - a good<br>>
thing", but obviously this is not always the case.<br>>
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A second vote for "I didn't understand a lot of it".<br>>
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? ?? If you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries<br>>
? ?? of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for.<br>>
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Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 10:06:28 -0600<br>>
From: Collins Richey <<a href="mailto:crichey@gmail.com" target="_blank">crichey@gmail.com</a>><br>>
Subject: Re: [clue-tech] Meetings<br>>
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On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 8:58 AM, <<a href="mailto:dennisjperkins@comcast.net" target="_blank">dennisjperkins@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<br>>
> Maybe.? It looks more like someone didn't realize when December started.? I<br>>
> started out this week thinking we were meeting this week myself.<br>>
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I get confused, too. If we get a unified list, it would be simple for<br>>
an admin to send out a notice first of the month and thus avoid the<br>>
confusion.<br>>
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--<br>>
Collins Richey<br>>
? ?? If you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries<br>>
? ?? of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for.<br>>
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Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 10:10:07 -0600<br>>
From: Collins Richey <<a href="mailto:crichey@gmail.com" target="_blank">crichey@gmail.com</a>><br>>
Subject: Re: [clue-tech] SME Server<br>>
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On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 7:43 AM, David "Barahon" Willson<br>>
<<a href="mailto:DLWillson@thegeek.nu" target="_blank">DLWillson@thegeek.nu</a>> wrote:<br>>
> Does it do LDAP putts the box? What's on the feature list?<br>>
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Any RH based distro has ldap client and server, and I would imagine<br>>
that Ubuntu based servers provide this as well. Since LDAP requires a<br>>
lot of setup, I doubt that this would be complete "out of the box".<br>>
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--<br>>
Collins Richey<br>>
? ?? If you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries<br>>
? ?? of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for.<br>>
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Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 09:19:32 -0700 (MST)<br>>
From: "David L. Willson" <DLWillson@TheGeek.NU><br>>
Subject: Re: [clue-tech] SME Server<br>>
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> <<a href="mailto:DLWillson@thegeek.nu" target="_blank">DLWillson@thegeek.nu</a>> wrote:<br>>
> > Does it do LDAP putts the box? What's on the feature list?<br>>
> ><br>>
> Collins:<br>>
> Any RH based distro has ldap client and server, and I would imagine<br>>
> that Ubuntu based servers provide this as well. Since LDAP requires a<br>>
> lot of setup, I doubt that this would be complete "out of the box".<br>>
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I'm so glad you were able to read what I meant through my phone's "correction" of my use of the slang word "outta".<br>>
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As I understand SME Server, it does exactly that: LDAP, Samba, blah-blah, right outta the box, no rocket (or LDAP) scientist needed. You just pick your site-uniqueness information. I'm saying this without having tested it, though. I sure wish someone would stand up to do a demo...<br>>
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Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 10:51:15 -0700<br>>
From: Jim Ockers <<a href="mailto:ockers@ockers.net" target="_blank">ockers@ockers.net</a>><br>>
Subject: Re: [clue-tech] TCP/IP and the Bufferbloat Problem<br>>
To: CLUE technical discussion <<a href="mailto:clue-tech@cluedenver.org" target="_blank">clue-tech@cluedenver.org</a>><br>>
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Hi,<br>>
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Collins Richey wrote:<br>>
> On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 7:24 PM, Jed S. Baer <<a href="mailto:cluemail@jbaer.cotse.net" target="_blank">cluemail@jbaer.cotse.net</a>> wrote:<br>>
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>> Fascinating read. Even if I didn't understand a lot of it.<br>>
>><br>>
>> <a href="https://gettys.wordpress.com/2010/12/06/whose-house-is-of-glasse-must-not-throw-stones-at-another/" target="_blank">https://gettys.wordpress.com/2010/12/06/whose-house-is-of-glasse-must-not-throw-stones-at-another/</a><br>>
>><br>>
>><br>>
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> Most of us have the general impression "lots of buffers - a good<br>>
> thing", but obviously this is not always the case.<br>>
><br>>
> A second vote for "I didn't understand a lot of it".<br>>
><br>>
><br>>
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I read this and it's curious that he never mentions anywhere what the<br>>
MTU size was and whether changing it had any effect on data transfer<br>>
rates or buffering efficiency.<br>>
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--<br>>
Jim Ockers, P.Eng. (<a href="mailto:ockers@ockers.net" target="_blank">ockers@ockers.net</a>)<br>>
Contact info: <a href="http://www.ockers.ca/pason.html" target="_blank">http://www.ockers.ca/pason.html</a><br>>
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Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 18:23:14 +0000 (UTC)<br>>
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Subject: Re: [clue-tech] TCP/IP and the Bufferbloat Problem<br>>
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I agree. I could see how a smaller RTU could cause extra work by forcing received data to be chopped into smaller segments for a smaller RTU size. I don't remember if there is an issue when going from smaller to larger packet size. Otherwise, I'm not sure what negative affect buffers would have.<br>>
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I could see movie downloads having a big impact. Or a slug of spam going thru. Or a switch that resets for some reason.<br>>
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Hi,<br>>
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Collins Richey wrote:<br>>
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On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 7:24 PM, Jed S. Baer <<a href="mailto:cluemail@jbaer.cotse.net" target="_blank">cluemail@jbaer.cotse.net</a>> wrote:<br>>
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Fascinating read. Even if I didn't understand a lot of it. <a href="https://gettys.wordpress.com/2010/12/06/whose-house-is-of-glasse-must-not-throw-stones-at-another/" target="_blank">https://gettys.wordpress.com/2010/12/06/whose-house-is-of-glasse-must-not-throw-stones-at-another/</a> Most of us have the general impression "lots of buffers - a good<br>>
thing", but obviously this is not always the case.<br>>
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A second vote for "I didn't understand a lot of it".<br>>
I read this and it's curious that he never mentions anywhere what the MTU size was and whether changing it had any effect on data transfer rates or buffering efficiency.<br>>
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--<br>>
Jim Ockers, P.Eng. ( <a href="mailto:ockers@ockers.net" target="_blank">ockers@ockers.net</a> )<br>>
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Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 11:33:28 -0700<br>>
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I need some feedback about small linux distros, I don't need a lot of the stuff that the big ones come with. I'm going to use the computer for a weather station. Anybody have a favorite? I'm not good enough for command line only yet.<br>>
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