Missed it last night and I won't be here next week.<br>See you in January<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 11:33 AM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:clue-tech-request@cluedenver.org">clue-tech-request@cluedenver.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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1. Re: Meetings (David "Barahon" Willson)<br>
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3. Re: TCP/IP and the Bufferbloat Problem (Collins Richey)<br>
4. Re: Meetings (Collins Richey)<br>
5. Re: SME Server (Collins Richey)<br>
6. Re: SME Server (David L. Willson)<br>
7. Re: TCP/IP and the Bufferbloat Problem (Jim Ockers)<br>
8. Re: TCP/IP and the Bufferbloat Problem<br>
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9. Small Linux distros (Bill Smith)<br>
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Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 07:41:53 -0700<br>
From: "David \"Barahon\" Willson"<DLWillson@TheGeek.NU><br>
Subject: Re: [clue-tech] Meetings<br>
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Meetings are on second tuesday. Yesterday was first tuesday. This post seems<br>
to be evidence of the unified list might be more useful.<br>
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Maybe. It looks more like someone didn't realize when December started. I started out this week thinking we were meeting this week myself.<br>
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Meetings are on second tuesday. Yesterday was first tuesday. This post seems to be evidence of the unified list might be more useful.<br>
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Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 10:03:45 -0600<br>
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Subject: Re: [clue-tech] TCP/IP and the Bufferbloat Problem<br>
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On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 7:24 PM, Jed S. Baer <<a href="mailto:cluemail@jbaer.cotse.net">cluemail@jbaer.cotse.net</a>> wrote:<br>
> Fascinating read. Even if I didn't understand a lot of it.<br>
><br>
> <a href="https://gettys.wordpress.com/2010/12/06/whose-house-is-of-glasse-must-not-throw-stones-at-another/" target="_blank">https://gettys.wordpress.com/2010/12/06/whose-house-is-of-glasse-must-not-throw-stones-at-another/</a><br>
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Most of us have the general impression "lots of buffers - a good<br>
thing", but obviously this is not always the case.<br>
<br>
A second vote for "I didn't understand a lot of it".<br>
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? ?? If you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries<br>
? ?? of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for.<br>
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Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 10:06:28 -0600<br>
From: Collins Richey <<a href="mailto:crichey@gmail.com">crichey@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [clue-tech] Meetings<br>
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On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 8:58 AM, <<a href="mailto:dennisjperkins@comcast.net">dennisjperkins@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<br>
> Maybe.? It looks more like someone didn't realize when December started.? I<br>
> started out this week thinking we were meeting this week myself.<br>
><br>
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I get confused, too. If we get a unified list, it would be simple for<br>
an admin to send out a notice first of the month and thus avoid the<br>
confusion.<br>
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? ?? If you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries<br>
? ?? of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for.<br>
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Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 10:10:07 -0600<br>
From: Collins Richey <<a href="mailto:crichey@gmail.com">crichey@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [clue-tech] SME Server<br>
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On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 7:43 AM, David "Barahon" Willson<br>
<<a href="mailto:DLWillson@thegeek.nu">DLWillson@thegeek.nu</a>> wrote:<br>
> Does it do LDAP putts the box? What's on the feature list?<br>
><br>
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Any RH based distro has ldap client and server, and I would imagine<br>
that Ubuntu based servers provide this as well. Since LDAP requires a<br>
lot of setup, I doubt that this would be complete "out of the box".<br>
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? ?? If you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries<br>
? ?? of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for.<br>
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Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 09:19:32 -0700 (MST)<br>
From: "David L. Willson" <DLWillson@TheGeek.NU><br>
Subject: Re: [clue-tech] SME Server<br>
To: CLUE technical discussion <<a href="mailto:clue-tech@cluedenver.org">clue-tech@cluedenver.org</a>><br>
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> <<a href="mailto:DLWillson@thegeek.nu">DLWillson@thegeek.nu</a>> wrote:<br>
> > Does it do LDAP putts the box? What's on the feature list?<br>
> ><br>
> Collins:<br>
> Any RH based distro has ldap client and server, and I would imagine<br>
> that Ubuntu based servers provide this as well. Since LDAP requires a<br>
> lot of setup, I doubt that this would be complete "out of the box".<br>
<br>
I'm so glad you were able to read what I meant through my phone's "correction" of my use of the slang word "outta".<br>
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As I understand SME Server, it does exactly that: LDAP, Samba, blah-blah, right outta the box, no rocket (or LDAP) scientist needed. You just pick your site-uniqueness information. I'm saying this without having tested it, though. I sure wish someone would stand up to do a demo...<br>
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Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 10:51:15 -0700<br>
From: Jim Ockers <<a href="mailto:ockers@ockers.net">ockers@ockers.net</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [clue-tech] TCP/IP and the Bufferbloat Problem<br>
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Hi,<br>
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Collins Richey wrote:<br>
> On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 7:24 PM, Jed S. Baer <<a href="mailto:cluemail@jbaer.cotse.net">cluemail@jbaer.cotse.net</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Fascinating read. Even if I didn't understand a lot of it.<br>
>><br>
>> <a href="https://gettys.wordpress.com/2010/12/06/whose-house-is-of-glasse-must-not-throw-stones-at-another/" target="_blank">https://gettys.wordpress.com/2010/12/06/whose-house-is-of-glasse-must-not-throw-stones-at-another/</a><br>
>><br>
>><br>
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> Most of us have the general impression "lots of buffers - a good<br>
> thing", but obviously this is not always the case.<br>
><br>
> A second vote for "I didn't understand a lot of it".<br>
><br>
><br>
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I read this and it's curious that he never mentions anywhere what the<br>
MTU size was and whether changing it had any effect on data transfer<br>
rates or buffering efficiency.<br>
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Contact info: <a href="http://www.ockers.ca/pason.html" target="_blank">http://www.ockers.ca/pason.html</a><br>
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Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 18:23:14 +0000 (UTC)<br>
From: <a href="mailto:dennisjperkins@comcast.net">dennisjperkins@comcast.net</a><br>
Subject: Re: [clue-tech] TCP/IP and the Bufferbloat Problem<br>
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I agree. I could see how a smaller RTU could cause extra work by forcing received data to be chopped into smaller segments for a smaller RTU size. I don't remember if there is an issue when going from smaller to larger packet size. Otherwise, I'm not sure what negative affect buffers would have.<br>
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I could see movie downloads having a big impact. Or a slug of spam going thru. Or a switch that resets for some reason.<br>
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Hi,<br>
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Collins Richey wrote:<br>
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On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 7:24 PM, Jed S. Baer <<a href="mailto:cluemail@jbaer.cotse.net">cluemail@jbaer.cotse.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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Fascinating read. Even if I didn't understand a lot of it. <a href="https://gettys.wordpress.com/2010/12/06/whose-house-is-of-glasse-must-not-throw-stones-at-another/" target="_blank">https://gettys.wordpress.com/2010/12/06/whose-house-is-of-glasse-must-not-throw-stones-at-another/</a> Most of us have the general impression "lots of buffers - a good<br>
thing", but obviously this is not always the case.<br>
<br>
A second vote for "I didn't understand a lot of it".<br>
I read this and it's curious that he never mentions anywhere what the MTU size was and whether changing it had any effect on data transfer rates or buffering efficiency.<br>
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--<br>
Jim Ockers, P.Eng. ( <a href="mailto:ockers@ockers.net">ockers@ockers.net</a> )<br>
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Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 11:33:28 -0700<br>
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I need some feedback about small linux distros, I don't need a lot of the stuff that the big ones come with. I'm going to use the computer for a weather station. Anybody have a favorite? I'm not good enough for command line only yet.<br>
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