I'm never giving my password rant again. I'm just going to send a link to this XKCD, and wait a few minutes until my novice "gets it". http://www.xkcd.com/936/ David L. Willson Trainer, Engineer, Enthusiast RHCE MCT MCSE Network+ A+ Linux+ LPIC-1 NovellCLA UbuntuCP tel://720.333.LANS Freedom is better when you earn it. Learn Linux.