[clue] [RANT], [OT]: Re: Mailing list technical questions

[Matt]

http://cluedenver.org/pipermail/clue-announce/2010-December/000445.html

ROFLMAO.

So people missed the vote because they weren't subscribed to the correct 
mailing list? and now they're complaining because they don't like only 
having one list?

   HAHAHAHAHHEHEHEHEHEHOHOHOHO,  you can't make comedy like this up. 
HAHAHEHHEHEHHOHOHOH  Sob.... can't....breath.... my sides hurt.


HAHAHAHHHEHEHEHHAHAHAHAHAHA........



On 02/09/2011 05:47 PM, Kevin Fries wrote:
> I for one never heard about a vote on anything,
>
> Sounds like I am not alone.
>
> Just saying
> Kevin
>
>> On Feb 9, 2011 5:42 PM, "Matt" <matt at osource.org
>> <mailto:matt at osource.org>> wrote:
>>
>> (not directed at you Kevin)
>> There was a vote.  What was the outcome of the vote?
>>
>> Where was all this discussion _before_ the vote?  David bent over
>> backwards to accommodate people in voting.
>>
>> What's the point in voting if the people who don't like the outcome are
>> able to override the vote?
>>
>> Matt
>>
>>
>> On 02/09/2011 04:57 PM, Kevin Fries wrote:
>> > On 02/09/2011 04:24 PM, Brad Morgan wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > The announcement and job lists will be restored. There are no
>> plans to
>> >>
>> >> > restore the other mailing lists.
>> >>
>> >> Can someone please explain to me the differences between one list with
>> >> tags and multiple lists without tags?
>>
>> Tags are suggestions and guidelines. They are not mandatory.
>>
>> >>
>> >> One reason I can come up with is that maintaining one subscription
>> >> list is easier than maintaining multiple lists, but the lists are
>> >> "maintained" by the mailman software, correct? Isn't that software
>> >> designed to handle a large number of mailing lists with minimal human
>> >> intervention?
>> >>
>> >> I am looking for a technical discussion. If specific reasons why CLUE
>> >> started this debate are added, please keep them technical and civil :-)
>> >>
>> > Depending on the software, there is several issues between multiple
>> > lists, and tags:
>> >
>> > Issue one, multiple lists cause the user to have to maintain multiple
>> > user lists. This is mostly automatic, but admin are required to clean
>> > lists, and do other maintenance from time to time.
>> >
>> > Issue two, multiple lists are often confusing to many users. Which list
>> > should I be on, which lists are available, etc. One list means the
>> > answer is easy, this one. We use tags to separate content.
>> >
>> > Issue three, people forget to tag, or use the wrong tags, causing
>> > filters not to work. When this happens, people get annoyed by getting
>> > messages they did not intend. Also, new users to the list, are often the
>> > most confused, and many will post in ways that bypass the filters.
>> > Spammers that get onto the one list, instantly hit a much larger
>> > audience, making your list a bigger target. Multiple list means more
>> > work for the spammer for a smaller audience, often causing them to move
>> > on. Spammers are about volume. (The spammers could be their own issue,
>> > but I fit it in here).
>>
>> spammers harvest mailing lists like any other addresses.   All the lists
>> are listed on the CLUE ML page.  It take no more effort to hit all 7
>> than one.
>>
>> >
>> > Issue three, when there are multiple lists, it is easier for someone to
>> > be segmented off to get only the content that they want. The problems in
>> > issue three are not inherent. It tends to make conversations much more
>> > focused, well at least in theory. I tend to find that while separate
>> > lists do tend to stray off course, it is not as often as with single
>> > lists. I watched a thread in the PLUG group go all heywire after the
>> > Tuscon shootings. They only maintain one group, and it was very
>> > difficult to get everyone back on point. Multiple lists if properly
>> > designed are much better about that.
>> >
>> > The technical issues are small, unless the list is moderated. A
>> > moderated list, will almost always be separate list, so that multiple
>> > moderators can take up individual topics. But when there is only one,
>> > person doing all of this, it is easier for there to be one list. From a
>> > technological side, there really is no big advantage one way or another
>> > to the end user.
>> >
>> > CLUE has had a decrease in people stepping up to the plate. I have been
>> > as guilty as anyone. As fewer and fewer people are doing the work, it is
>> > easier on them to have everything in one place.
>> >
>> > That is the real issue.
>> >
>> > Kevin
>> >
>> >
>> >
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