[clue] clue Digest, Vol 30, Issue 9

Vicente Louvet louvetvicente at gmail.com
Tue Jul 9 13:21:58 MDT 2013


I used these tips this week and got a second interview! Having a group discussion on interview skills definitely improved my confidence level.

One thing not to do is badmouth the managment or position in anyway. always put a positive spin on the experience and upsell your improvement regardless of the reasons for you to part ways with your previous employers


Vince

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>   1. Re: Fwd: Re:  Linux Resume Help (foo7775 at comcast.net)
>   2. Re: Fwd: Re:  Linux Resume Help (David L. Willson)
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>This is (imho) a *great* discussion, & I really appreciate the info that several of you have provided. I have a question that's kind of along the same lines, & thought that the answer might also be helpful to others as well - 
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>I have a *lot* of the experience that is listed in many postings, but how can I (credibly!) fill in one or more of the 'gaps' in my skill set?? For myself personally, I have professional experience administering AIX, Solaris, & Linux - but virtually no paid experience with the LAMP stack (which appears to be a fairly significant component of a large number of postings). Sure, I can run Apache, etc. on one of my VMs at home, and I have an active internet domain that I do things with, but that (understandably) doesn't seem to carry the same weight as supporting a corporate site. 
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>Would like to hear what other CLUE members have to say about this... 
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>Thanks all! 
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>T. 
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "David L. Willson" <DLWillson at TheGeek.NU> 
>To: clue at cluedenver.org 
>Sent: Sunday, July 7, 2013 10:13:35 PM 
>Subject: [clue] Fwd: Re: Linux Resume Help 
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>-------- Original message -------- 
>From: Aaron Brown <aayore at gmail.com> 
>Date: 07/06/2013 11:14 PM (GMT-07:00) 
>To: "David L. Willson" <DLWillson at TheGeek.NU> 
>Cc: CLUE's mailing list <clue at cluedenver.org> 
>Subject: Re: [clue] Linux Resume Help 
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>I look at a lot of resumes. And I do a lot of phone interviews. Willson gave a great synopsis. I can only think of a few things to add: 
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>1. Highlight scenarios where you took initiative to solve a problem or demonstrated leadership (even in a technical role, with no desire for team lead or management roles) 
>2. Anything on your resume is fair game. Be prepared to talk about it during a phone screen or interview. If it's a technology that you haven't used in 7 years, be clear about that when you answer. 
>3. Don't be afraid to filter. Omit skills you have but don't want to work with. Drop stuff that's too old to be relevant. (If that's the case, focus on the impact you had in each position rather than the technologies you worked with.) 
>4. If you don't have an extensive work history, don't be afraid to include relevant hobbies, interests, clubs, user groups, etc. 
>5. Make sure that you (and ideally someone else, too) proofread your resume for readability and grammatical errors. A bunch of typos is an easy way to start off on the wrong foot. 
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>On Jul 6, 2013, at 4:06 PM, "David L. Willson" < DLWillson at TheGeek.NU > wrote: 
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>Sometimes, I have to read resumes and interview. 
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>These are the things I like in a resume: 
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>    • Clear Career Goal 
>    • Skills Summary 
>    • Job History Specifics: 
>
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>        • What was your job title? 
>        • How many (users, servers, customers, networks, sites) did you support? 
>        • What products and technologies did you use? 
>        • Did you manage a budget or employees? How big/many? 
>        • Did you do something great? How much money did you make or save? 
>        • Did your work change or save lives? 
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>These are the things I like in an interview: 
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>    • Candidate dressed appropriately for the interview. Clothing should be formal and muted (un-noticed). 
>    • Candidate behaved appropriately during the interview. Don't say "bullshit solution" during the interview. Say "sub-optimal solution". 
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>These are the things I like in a candidate: 
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>My favorite candidates are self-driven. They have a strong sense of the importance of their time. They want to spend their time on-purpose; they are not interested in giving 40+ hours of their precious time every week to work that doesn't matter. When I ask them about their accomplishments and plans, they have clear ideas about both. They are NOT looking for someone to tell them what to do, in exchange for a check. They are looking for a place to live, grow, express their life's purpose, ~and~ earn an income. They're not hanging back and waiting for a decision to be made, they're eagerly listening and participating appropriately in the decision-making process, then enthusiastically learning, leading, and teaching every day. 
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>-- 
>David L. Willson 
>Trainer, Engineer, Enthusiast 
>RHCE Network+ A+ Linux+ LPIC-1 Ubuntu 
>Mobile 720-333-LANS(5267) 
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>This is a good time for a r3VOLution. 
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>----- Original Message -----
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>Thanks for the reminder Jim, I had totally forgotten about my LinkedIn profile. I haven't even logged in since January or February. 
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>R. 
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>On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Jim Ockers < ockers at ockers.net > wrote: 
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>Hi Rossi, 
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>If I may suggest: I recommend you work on your LinkedIn profile and make it as up-to-date and detailed as possible. You should get all your expertise and skills in their databases, and then ask your co-workers and superiors to endorse you for skills and write recommendations for you. You should also join the relevant groups and forums on LinkedIn and particpate in them. 
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>LinkedIn offers recruiting services to employers by data mining everyone's profiles. You don't even have to talk yourself up if you can get people to endorse you for skills/expertise and/or write recommendations for you on LinkedIn. Your LinkedIn profile can be your resume, sort of, and if you work on it then you might also get some ideas for what to do with your actual Resume document. 
>
>I hope this helps. 
>
>Regards, 
>Jim 
>--
>Jim Ockers, P.E., P.Eng. ( ockers at ockers.net )
>Contact info: http://www.ockers.net/ 
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>On 7/6/13 11:57 AM, Rossi Guiliani wrote: 
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>Hi All, 
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>I was wondering if there was anyone out there that would be willing to help me with my Resume. I feel like it has been prohibitive in me getting interviews, even though I know I can land the jobs. If you have a little time to look over it, and chat about things I can add to it. I'd like to hop on IRC or something and talk about my experience while going ever it to see what I can take out or add. I'd think about the meetups, but I just don't know if the right type of people would show up. I'm not a newbie (I've been using Linux for almost 10 years now). I just really suck at talking myself up. =/ 
>
>Thanks, anyone, in advance! 
>R. 
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>Don't know ~where~ to volunteer? Here are a few ideas.
>- Your favorite free software project.
>- Your kid's school. (or your school)
>- Your church or community center.
>- My school/society.
>- Or, invent a solution to an un-solved problem you see.
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>RHCE Network+ A+ Linux+ LPIC-1 Ubuntu
>Mobile 720-333-LANS(5267)
>
>This is a good time for a r3VOLution.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>
>> This is (imho) a *great* discussion, & I really appreciate the info
>> that several of you have provided. I have a question that's kind of
>> along the same lines, & thought that the answer might also be
>> helpful to others as well -
>
>> I have a *lot* of the experience that is listed in many postings, but
>> how can I (credibly!) fill in one or more of the 'gaps' in my skill
>> set?? For myself personally, I have professional experience
>> administering AIX, Solaris, & Linux - but virtually no paid
>> experience with the LAMP stack (which appears to be a fairly
>> significant component of a large number of postings). Sure, I can
>> run Apache, etc. on one of my VMs at home, and I have an active
>> internet domain that I do things with, but that (understandably)
>> doesn't seem to carry the same weight as supporting a corporate
>> site.
>
>> Would like to hear what other CLUE members have to say about this...
>
>> Thanks all!
>
>> T.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "David L. Willson" <DLWillson at TheGeek.NU>
>> To: clue at cluedenver.org
>> Sent: Sunday, July 7, 2013 10:13:35 PM
>> Subject: [clue] Fwd: Re: Linux Resume Help
>
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone
>
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Aaron Brown <aayore at gmail.com>
>> Date: 07/06/2013 11:14 PM (GMT-07:00)
>> To: "David L. Willson" <DLWillson at TheGeek.NU>
>> Cc: CLUE's mailing list <clue at cluedenver.org>
>> Subject: Re: [clue] Linux Resume Help
>
>> I look at a lot of resumes. And I do a lot of phone interviews.
>> Willson gave a great synopsis. I can only think of a few things to
>> add:
>
>> 1. Highlight scenarios where you took initiative to solve a problem
>> or demonstrated leadership (even in a technical role, with no desire
>> for team lead or management roles)
>> 2. Anything on your resume is fair game. Be prepared to talk about it
>> during a phone screen or interview. If it's a technology that you
>> haven't used in 7 years, be clear about that when you answer.
>> 3. Don't be afraid to filter. Omit skills you have but don't want to
>> work with. Drop stuff that's too old to be relevant. (If that's the
>> case, focus on the impact you had in each position rather than the
>> technologies you worked with.)
>> 4. If you don't have an extensive work history, don't be afraid to
>> include relevant hobbies, interests, clubs, user groups, etc.
>> 5. Make sure that you (and ideally someone else, too) proofread your
>> resume for readability and grammatical errors. A bunch of typos is
>> an easy way to start off on the wrong foot.
>
>> On Jul 6, 2013, at 4:06 PM, "David L. Willson" < DLWillson at TheGeek.NU
>> > wrote:
>
>> > Sometimes, I have to read resumes and interview.
>>
>
>> > These are the things I like in a resume:
>>
>
>> > • Clear Career Goal
>>
>> > • Skills Summary
>>
>> > • Job History Specifics:
>>
>
>> > • What was your job title?
>>
>> > • How many (users, servers, customers, networks, sites) did you
>> > support?
>>
>> > • What products and technologies did you use?
>>
>> > • Did you manage a budget or employees? How big/many?
>>
>> > • Did you do something great? How much money did you make or save?
>>
>> > • Did your work change or save lives?
>>
>
>> > These are the things I like in an interview:
>>
>
>> > • Candidate dressed appropriately for the interview. Clothing
>> > should
>> > be formal and muted (un-noticed).
>>
>> > • Candidate behaved appropriately during the interview. Don't say
>> > "bullshit solution" during the interview. Say "sub-optimal
>> > solution".
>>
>
>> > These are the things I like in a candidate:
>>
>
>> > My favorite candidates are self-driven. They have a strong sense of
>> > the importance of their time. They want to spend their time
>> > on-purpose; they are not interested in giving 40+ hours of their
>> > precious time every week to work that doesn't matter. When I ask
>> > them about their accomplishments and plans, they have clear ideas
>> > about both. They are NOT looking for someone to tell them what to
>> > do, in exchange for a check. They are looking for a place to live,
>> > grow, express their life's purpose, ~and~ earn an income. They're
>> > not hanging back and waiting for a decision to be made, they're
>> > eagerly listening and participating appropriately in the
>> > decision-making process, then enthusiastically learning, leading,
>> > and teaching every day.
>>
>
>> > --
>>
>> > David L. Willson
>>
>> > Trainer, Engineer, Enthusiast
>>
>> > RHCE Network+ A+ Linux+ LPIC-1 Ubuntu
>>
>> > Mobile 720-333-LANS(5267)
>>
>
>> > This is a good time for a r3VOLution.
>>
>
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>
>
>> > > Thanks for the reminder Jim, I had totally forgotten about my
>> > > LinkedIn profile. I haven't even logged in since January or
>> > > February.
>> >
>>
>
>> > > R.
>> >
>>
>
>> > > On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Jim Ockers < ockers at ockers.net >
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>>
>
>> > > > Hi Rossi,
>> > >
>> >
>>
>
>> > > > If I may suggest: I recommend you work on your LinkedIn profile
>> > > > and
>> > > > make it as up-to-date and detailed as possible. You should get
>> > > > all
>> > > > your expertise and skills in their databases, and then ask your
>> > > > co-workers and superiors to endorse you for skills and write
>> > > > recommendations for you. You should also join the relevant
>> > > > groups
>> > > > and forums on LinkedIn and particpate in them.
>> > >
>> >
>>
>
>> > > > LinkedIn offers recruiting services to employers by data mining
>> > > > everyone's profiles. You don't even have to talk yourself up if
>> > > > you
>> > > > can get people to endorse you for skills/expertise and/or write
>> > > > recommendations for you on LinkedIn. Your LinkedIn profile can
>> > > > be
>> > > > your resume, sort of, and if you work on it then you might also
>> > > > get
>> > > > some ideas for what to do with your actual Resume document.
>> > >
>> >
>>
>
>> > > > I hope this helps.
>> > >
>> >
>>
>
>> > > > Regards,
>> > >
>> >
>>
>> > > > Jim
>> > >
>> >
>>
>> > > > --
>> > >
>> >
>>
>> > > > Jim Ockers, P.E., P.Eng. ( ockers at ockers.net )
>> > >
>> >
>>
>> > > > Contact info: http://www.ockers.net/
>> > >
>> >
>>
>
>> > > > On 7/6/13 11:57 AM, Rossi Guiliani wrote:
>> > >
>> >
>>
>
>> > > > > Hi All,
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
>
>> > > > > I was wondering if there was anyone out there that would be
>> > > > > willing
>> > > > > to help me with my Resume. I feel like it has been
>> > > > > prohibitive
>> > > > > in
>> > > > > me
>> > > > > getting interviews, even though I know I can land the jobs.
>> > > > > If
>> > > > > you
>> > > > > have a little time to look over it, and chat about things I
>> > > > > can
>> > > > > add
>> > > > > to it. I'd like to hop on IRC or something and talk about my
>> > > > > experience while going ever it to see what I can take out or
>> > > > > add.
>> > > > > I'd think about the meetups, but I just don't know if the
>> > > > > right
>> > > > > type
>> > > > > of people would show up. I'm not a newbie (I've been using
>> > > > > Linux
>> > > > > for
>> > > > > almost 10 years now). I just really suck at talking myself
>> > > > > up.
>> > > > > =/
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
>
>> > > > > Thanks, anyone, in advance!
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
>> > > > > R.
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
>
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