[clue] Juju.

[Quentin Hartman]

I looked at it real hard for deploying an openstack cluster about 2 years
ago. I found juju to be interesting, but it required a lot of underlying
tools to make it usable for my application (notably MAAS, which was also
really cool, but overkill for my needs) and the charms, frankly, didn't
work for me. If you want to do exactly what they do, they work as
advertised. If not, it's "yet another thing to learn", and it's not
trivial. I ended up replacing the whole thing with some simple PXE boot
stuff and some shell scripts. I probably could have gotten juju to do what
I wanted, but it would have taken me weeks, when the initial setup and eval
also took weeks, and I was able to get my PXE and chef stuff going in just
over a day, sooo, I dunno.

I suppose if you have a use case that meshes well with it, have nothing
else in place, and have enough stuff going on to justify the setup
investment, it could be a cool system, but it's far from light. The visual
service deployment stuff is certainly neat, but I don't see that it
provides a lot of value.

QH

On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 6:10 PM, David L. Anselmi <anselmi at anselmi.us> wrote:

> Does anyone have any experience with Juju?  https://jujucharms.com/
>
> I asked on BLUG about CM tools for managing a single server. The answer
> was roughly, "salt, ansible,
> whatever, just pick one".
>
> Now I want to do that on a laptop as well.  And I think I'll pick
> propeller or slaughter.  Probably
> propeller because Joey Hess and Haskell.
>
> The hard part though isn't building a config with these tools (at least it
> shouldn't be at my
> stage), it's having a clue what the end looks like and learning enough to
> figure out the steps.
>
> For example, bootstrapping, which has to come before CM.  There's
> pre-seeding with d-i, but for
> Raspbian I built an image file using debootstrap and some cool formatting
> tools.  Oh, I guess I
> should figure out full disk encryption too at some point.
>
> Anyhow, Juju looks like it pays more attention to services cooperating
> with each other (so maybe I
> can get rid of my dual mysql installs?).  But it also seems to be Ubuntu
> specific and controlled by
> Canonical.  So I'm not going to look at it unless someone says it's the
> bee's knees or I learn
> enough to know it solves a problem I have.
>
> Dave
>
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