<p>Sounds like a symptom of too many lists. :)</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Feb 9, 2011 5:48 PM, "Kevin Fries" <<a href="mailto:kfries6@gmail.com">kfries6@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution">> I for one never heard about a vote on anything,<br>
> <br>> Sounds like I am not alone.<br>> <br>> Just saying<br>> Kevin<br>> <br>> On Feb 9, 2011 5:42 PM, "Matt" <<a href="mailto:matt@osource.org">matt@osource.org</a>> wrote:<br>> <br>
> (not directed at you Kevin)<br>> There was a vote. What was the outcome of the vote?<br>> <br>> Where was all this discussion _before_ the vote? David bent over<br>> backwards to accommodate people in voting.<br>
> <br>> What's the point in voting if the people who don't like the outcome are<br>> able to override the vote?<br>> <br>> Matt<br>> <br>> <br>> On 02/09/2011 04:57 PM, Kevin Fries wrote:<br>
>> On 02/09/2011 04:24 PM, Brad Morgan wrote:<br>>>><br>>>> > The announcement and job lists will be restored. There are no plans to<br>>>><br>>>> > restore the other mailing lists.<br>
>>><br>>>> Can someone please explain to me the differences between one list with<br>>>> tags and multiple lists without tags?<br>> <br>> Tags are suggestions and guidelines. They are not mandatory.<br>
> <br>>>><br>>>> One reason I can come up with is that maintaining one subscription<br>>>> list is easier than maintaining multiple lists, but the lists are<br>>>> "maintained" by the mailman software, correct? Isn't that software<br>
>>> designed to handle a large number of mailing lists with minimal human<br>>>> intervention?<br>>>><br>>>> I am looking for a technical discussion. If specific reasons why CLUE<br>>>> started this debate are added, please keep them technical and civil :-)<br>
>>><br>>> Depending on the software, there is several issues between multiple<br>>> lists, and tags:<br>>><br>>> Issue one, multiple lists cause the user to have to maintain multiple<br>>> user lists. This is mostly automatic, but admin are required to clean<br>
>> lists, and do other maintenance from time to time.<br>>><br>>> Issue two, multiple lists are often confusing to many users. Which list<br>>> should I be on, which lists are available, etc. One list means the<br>
>> answer is easy, this one. We use tags to separate content.<br>>><br>>> Issue three, people forget to tag, or use the wrong tags, causing<br>>> filters not to work. When this happens, people get annoyed by getting<br>
>> messages they did not intend. Also, new users to the list, are often the<br>>> most confused, and many will post in ways that bypass the filters.<br>>> Spammers that get onto the one list, instantly hit a much larger<br>
>> audience, making your list a bigger target. Multiple list means more<br>>> work for the spammer for a smaller audience, often causing them to move<br>>> on. Spammers are about volume. (The spammers could be their own issue,<br>
>> but I fit it in here).<br>> <br>> spammers harvest mailing lists like any other addresses. All the lists<br>> are listed on the CLUE ML page. It take no more effort to hit all 7<br>> than one.<br>> <br>
>><br>>> Issue three, when there are multiple lists, it is easier for someone to<br>>> be segmented off to get only the content that they want. The problems in<br>>> issue three are not inherent. It tends to make conversations much more<br>
>> focused, well at least in theory. I tend to find that while separate<br>>> lists do tend to stray off course, it is not as often as with single<br>>> lists. I watched a thread in the PLUG group go all heywire after the<br>
>> Tuscon shootings. They only maintain one group, and it was very<br>>> difficult to get everyone back on point. Multiple lists if properly<br>>> designed are much better about that.<br>>><br>>> The technical issues are small, unless the list is moderated. A<br>
>> moderated list, will almost always be separate list, so that multiple<br>>> moderators can take up individual topics. But when there is only one,<br>>> person doing all of this, it is easier for there to be one list. From a<br>
>> technological side, there really is no big advantage one way or another<br>>> to the end user.<br>>><br>>> CLUE has had a decrease in people stepping up to the plate. I have been<br>>> as guilty as anyone. As fewer and fewer people are doing the work, it is<br>
>> easier on them to have everything in one place.<br>>><br>>> That is the real issue.<br>>><br>>> Kevin<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> _______________________________________________<br>
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