<p>I for one never heard about a vote on anything,</p>
<p>Sounds like I am not alone.</p>
<p>Just saying <br>
Kevin</p>
<p><blockquote type="cite">On Feb 9, 2011 5:42 PM, "Matt" <<a href="mailto:matt@osource.org">matt@osource.org</a>> wrote:<br><br>(not directed at you Kevin)<br>
There was a vote. What was the outcome of the vote?<br>
<br>
Where was all this discussion _before_ the vote? David bent over<br>
backwards to accommodate people in voting.<br>
<br>
What's the point in voting if the people who don't like the outcome are<br>
able to override the vote?<br>
<br>
Matt<br>
<br>
<br>
On 02/09/2011 04:57 PM, Kevin Fries wrote:<br>
> On 02/09/2011 04:24 PM, Brad Morgan wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> > The announcement and job lists will be restored. There are no plans to<br>
>><br>
>> > restore the other mailing lists.<br>
>><br>
>> Can someone please explain to me the differences between one list with<br>
>> tags and multiple lists without tags?<br>
<br>
Tags are suggestions and guidelines. They are not mandatory.<br>
<br>
>><br>
>> One reason I can come up with is that maintaining one subscription<br>
>> list is easier than maintaining multiple lists, but the lists are<br>
>> "maintained" by the mailman software, correct? Isn't that software<br>
>> designed to handle a large number of mailing lists with minimal human<br>
>> intervention?<br>
>><br>
>> I am looking for a technical discussion. If specific reasons why CLUE<br>
>> started this debate are added, please keep them technical and civil :-)<br>
>><br>
> Depending on the software, there is several issues between multiple<br>
> lists, and tags:<br>
><br>
> Issue one, multiple lists cause the user to have to maintain multiple<br>
> user lists. This is mostly automatic, but admin are required to clean<br>
> lists, and do other maintenance from time to time.<br>
><br>
> Issue two, multiple lists are often confusing to many users. Which list<br>
> should I be on, which lists are available, etc. One list means the<br>
> answer is easy, this one. We use tags to separate content.<br>
><br>
> Issue three, people forget to tag, or use the wrong tags, causing<br>
> filters not to work. When this happens, people get annoyed by getting<br>
> messages they did not intend. Also, new users to the list, are often the<br>
> most confused, and many will post in ways that bypass the filters.<br>
> Spammers that get onto the one list, instantly hit a much larger<br>
> audience, making your list a bigger target. Multiple list means more<br>
> work for the spammer for a smaller audience, often causing them to move<br>
> on. Spammers are about volume. (The spammers could be their own issue,<br>
> but I fit it in here).<br>
<br>
spammers harvest mailing lists like any other addresses. All the lists<br>
are listed on the CLUE ML page. It take no more effort to hit all 7<br>
than one.<br>
<br>
><br>
> Issue three, when there are multiple lists, it is easier for someone to<br>
> be segmented off to get only the content that they want. The problems in<br>
> issue three are not inherent. It tends to make conversations much more<br>
> focused, well at least in theory. I tend to find that while separate<br>
> lists do tend to stray off course, it is not as often as with single<br>
> lists. I watched a thread in the PLUG group go all heywire after the<br>
> Tuscon shootings. They only maintain one group, and it was very<br>
> difficult to get everyone back on point. Multiple lists if properly<br>
> designed are much better about that.<br>
><br>
> The technical issues are small, unless the list is moderated. A<br>
> moderated list, will almost always be separate list, so that multiple<br>
> moderators can take up individual topics. But when there is only one,<br>
> person doing all of this, it is easier for there to be one list. From a<br>
> technological side, there really is no big advantage one way or another<br>
> to the end user.<br>
><br>
> CLUE has had a decrease in people stepping up to the plate. I have been<br>
> as guilty as anyone. As fewer and fewer people are doing the work, it is<br>
> easier on them to have everything in one place.<br>
><br>
> That is the real issue.<br>
><br>
> Kevin<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
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