Please allow me to add a thought or two,<div><br></div><div>I just joined the CLUE mailing list as I plan on attenting an upcoming event. While there is the usual "please remove me" message that happens on spikes in mailing list activity I am actually surprised to se the childish banter. Mr. Miller, I cant wait to meet you!</div>
<div><br></div><div>If I am not mistaken the author of your reply indicated the folowing:</div><div><br></div><div><meta charset="utf-8"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; "><i>I cannot speak for anyone other than myself, so let me put this forward.</i></span></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"><i><br></i></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;">This delimited his opinion to his own actions and feelings, no? </span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;">So is it right of Mr. Miller to feel as though his rights to free speech are impeded upon by reading this reply? Not in m opinion. </span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;">Now in Torrins defense we all came from different backgrounds. I do not know what it was like for him growing up in the conditions that he did. Nor do I know what it is like to take residence in another country. I respect that more than I can tell you. However his statements did not make him appear to be a bully. He was attempting, and correct me Torrin if I am wrong, state that bashing windows is ones own decision. </span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;">Manners, as he mentioned, are almost like tact Mr Miller. If I walked up to a group of individuals who were spewing negativity I would likely turn the other direction and find a different group to associate with. Some people take offense to others bashing "their" tools. Tools that they know how to use, need to use, or otherwise. Am I being tactful if I openly bash windows? You decide. </span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;">In the week that I have listened in on this list I have seen a few replies however I need to ask you something Mr. Miller. Why are you here? You throw out some big words for a community mail list. Oh and you implied that Torrin was a bully and comunist by the tone and the words that you used. </span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;">and I quote:</span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;">"<meta charset="utf-8"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; ">That seems to be what you are trying to do by attacking me with guilt and fear, if I'm not mistaken. Or are you trying to persuade me of your opinion intellectually?"</span></span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;">You did not over look anything? No, you are inciting conflict. Again why are you here?</span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;">Personally I am looking forward to taking part in an installfest as well as the <a href="http://hosting.com">hosting.com</a> meeings. I operate <a href="http://webdt.org">http://webdt.org</a> leading a linux port effort and am quite active on the linux side of the xbmc forums. I apologize that my first involvement in this list was in this fashion. I just couldn't leave this be. </span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;">Thanks</span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;">Daryl</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;">aka quotaholic<br>
</span></font><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Torren Beitler <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:torren.beitler@gmail.com">torren.beitler@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
HAHAHA! You are calling me a Communist? I am an anti-communist. I was saying don't compare manners and learning when and were to speak to communism, as they don't care about when and were. I find it funny that you think I'm a communist even though I'm a Nationalistic Non-Marxist Socialist.<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div></div><div class="h5">On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 5:30 PM, Louis Miller <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:veganguy1@gmail.com" target="_blank">veganguy1@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
</div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div></div><div class="h5">
<br>Torren,<br><br> Are you a bully? Do you believe in the strong overcoming the weak? That seems to be what you are trying to do by attacking me with guilt and fear, if I'm not mistaken. Or are you trying to persuade me of your opinion intellectually?<br>
<br> What types of anti-soviet humor are acceptable to you? If you could forward me some webpages that show correct anti-soviet humor, for example, it would help me be more sensitive to east europeans in the future.<br>
<br> You must have been a pretty precocious child to get a true taste of life behind the iron curtain at age 7. At age 7, most Americans are merely learning how to sound out words in elementary school, but you are already learning about concept political ideas. With all that anger, do you also write hate mail to Yakov Smirnoff. I heard he was from Ukraine.<br>
<br> I'm getting the sense that there is a bully mentality here, where the people don't want to criticize Microsoft, because it is large and powerful, but if I make a mistake, then you can attack me, and pretend to be a victim. Maybe, the group isn't full of idealists and revolutionaries, but a bunch of yuppies who want to make as much money as possible, and Linux just happens to be the way to green dreams.<br>
<br> In my experience, people who believe in harsh punishments never make mistakes, or are able to hide them.<br><br> Your thoughts?<br><font color="#888888"><br>Louis<br>
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