<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Collins--<div><br><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>Of course the old site performs better. It consists of static pages<br>that can only be updated via a cumbersome process.</div></blockquote><div><br></div>I never realized that vi/emacs, cvs/svn/git/bzr, (?s)ftp was cumbersome.</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div> You are correct<br>that MONTHS are involved in the process of working with Drupal. The<br>reasoning behind Drupal is simple.<br><br>1. Several volunteers wanted to work with it.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div>version control, been around for years.</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>2. Lots of people use it.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div>A number do, I wouldn't say "lots".</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>3. It provides forums, blogs, calendars, etc., and some of the<br>volunteers believe that these functions have value.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div>Some, I would guess more people believe a decently performing site is better than a site with many option with a horrid page load time.</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>4. At the end of the process, we will have more people trained to deal<br>with the site and it will be easier to do routine work.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div>I disagree, drupal administration and performance tuning is not a trivial task. If it where such a thing, then this would conversation would not have taken place. As I have asked for statistics on how MySQL and memcached are performing, and did those, I I have a hard time believing that training is happening when basic troubleshooting doesn't seem to be carried out.</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>5. If in doubt, see number 1.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div>If CLUE wishes to provide resources for its members to experiment and play with things, great! I'm all for that! But **NOT** when it comes to primary interface of CLUE to the rest of the community. We are not yahoo, facebook, google, booking, amazon. We do not have 1000's of servers where we can take a few, make a change and do realtime a/b testing. We have _one_ server, where it should be the focus of everyone who works on that server to ensure that 1) it is available and 2) it is responsive, 5+ seconds is not responsive. </div><div><br></div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>We were not aware that the site would be problematic on our existing<br>VPSlink server, so that resulted in some flailing about.</div></blockquote><div><br></div>Nor did anyone ask if there would be an issue, or was the current system well defined somewhere.</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div> Except for a<br>known hardware condition and some upgrades, the current development<br>server (not a VPSlink setup) is performing well. As of a few minutes<br>ago the response times were sub-second.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div>I'm not sure what you are looking at, and again we have this subjective "well" and "sub-second"; my *numbers* don't match with your vagaries. So yet again, I'm asking that we take a long hard look at what should be done... because frankly drupal for CLUE is a failure. But you keep flogging that dead horse, I'm *sure* you'll get it to stand and walk yet.</div><div><br></div><div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Andale Mono'">[23:11:15 rderoo@london ~]$ ab -n 10 -c 10 -t 10 <a href="http://cluedenver.redmop.com/">http://cluedenver.redmop.com/</a></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Andale Mono'">Percentage of the requests served within a certain time (ms)</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Andale Mono'"> 50% 4816</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Andale Mono'"> 66% 5411</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Andale Mono'"> 75% 5477</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Andale Mono'"> 80% 5508</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Andale Mono'"> 90% 5587</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Andale Mono'"> 95% 5706</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Andale Mono'"> 98% 5706</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Andale Mono'"> 99% 5706</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Andale Mono'"> 100% 5706 (longest request)</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Andale Mono'"><br></font></div></div><div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Andale Mono'">[01:10:35 rderoo@rotterdam ~]$ ab -n 10 -c 10 -t 10 <a href="http://cluedenver.redmop.com/">http://cluedenver.redmop.com/</a></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Andale Mono'">Percentage of the requests served within a certain time (ms)</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Andale Mono'"> 50% 5466</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Andale Mono'"> 66% 5577</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Andale Mono'"> 75% 5579</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Andale Mono'"> 80% 5579</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Andale Mono'"> 90% 5882</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Andale Mono'"> 95% 5885</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Andale Mono'"> 98% 5885</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Andale Mono'"> 99% 5885</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Andale Mono'"> 100% 5885 (longest request)</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Andale Mono'">starbuck:~ rderoo$ ab -n 10 -c 10 -t 10 <a href="http://cluedenver.redmop.com/">http://cluedenver.redmop.com/</a></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Andale Mono'"><br></font></div></div><div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Andale Mono'">[17:11:47 rderoo@arvada ~]$ ab -n 10 -c 10 -t 10 <a href="http://cluedenver.redmop.com/">http://cluedenver.redmop.com/</a></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Andale Mono'">Percentage of the requests served within a certain time (ms)</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Andale Mono'"> 50% 5600</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Andale Mono'"> 66% 6444</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Andale Mono'"> 75% 6493</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Andale Mono'"> 80% 6581</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Andale Mono'"> 90% 6582</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Andale Mono'"> 95% 6894</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Andale Mono'"> 98% 6894</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Andale Mono'"> 99% 6894</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Andale Mono'"> 100% 6894 (longest request)</font></div><div><br></div></div><div>Now it would appear that there might be some networking issues inside bluehost itself, but nothing which would result in the statistics I'm seeing.</div><div><br></div><div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Andale Mono'"> My traceroute [v0.73]</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Andale Mono'">rgb (0.0.0.0) Wed Jun 8 23:51:51 2011</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Andale Mono'">Keys: Help Display mode Restart statistics Order of fields quit</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Andale Mono'"> Packets Pings</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Andale Mono'"> Host Loss% Snt Last Avg Best Wrst StDev</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Andale Mono'"> 1. <a href="http://rt-130h-r3b4-0.ams5.nimbuzz.com">rt-130h-r3b4-0.ams5.nimbuzz.com</a> 0.0% 288 0.7 1.0 0.6 12.4 1.5</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Andale Mono'"> 2. <a href="http://rt-230b-r1b1-1.ams5.nimbuzz.com">rt-230b-r1b1-1.ams5.nimbuzz.com</a> 0.0% 288 0.7 3.1 0.6 93.8 12.9</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Andale Mono'"> 3. <a href="http://a597.nimbuzz.atom86.net">a597.nimbuzz.atom86.net</a> 0.0% 287 0.9 2.1 0.8 49.1 6.3</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Andale 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