<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div>Sorry I didn&#39;t get a chance to respond to this, I wanted to take a second and say thank you to everybody who&#39;s provided feedback.   I&#39;m sorry I didn&#39;t respond to it sooner.<br>
<br></div>I had an old co-worker, who used to say, follow the chain.  So here&#39;s the chain.   A RHEL 6.3 box (A), living on an ESXi 5.0.0 build-623860 box, with an eth0 set to 9000 mtu is connected to a vswitch within the host, set to 9000 mtu, which is connected to a 10GB physical wire.  Next comes uncharted network space, which I have no access to, but our networking guys assure me six ways from sunday contains no relevant speed or port controls.   Followed by an VMware ESXi 5.1.0 build-1065491 host, running on a physical 10GB wire, with a vswitch <br>
</div>set to 9000mtu, and a RHEL6.3 box set to 9000 mtu in the OS.   So the chain looks like<br><br></div>RHEL6.3 (A) -&gt; vswitch -&gt; ESXi5.0 -&gt; 10GB wire -&gt; cloud<br></div>9000 mtu     9000<br> <br></div>cloud -&gt; 10 GB wire -&gt; ESXi5.1 -&gt; vswitch -&gt; RHEL6.3(B)<br>
</div>                                                  9000 mtu    9000 mtu<br><div><div><br></div><div>B can SCP to A, but A cannot SCP to B<br></div><div>Set A to 1500 mtu, and now A CAN scp to B<br></div><div>Set A back to 9000, and scp breaks again.<br>
<br></div><div>Set B to 1500 and A to 9000, and it works again<br></div><div>So it works if one is 1500, and the other 9000, but it doesn&#39;t matter which one, they just can&#39;t both be 9000.   Because I&#39;m kinda the defacto vmware guy on the unix team I work on, and because I&#39;m running out of ideas, I literally exported A from the 5.0 host that it was living on, imported it into the 5.1 host that B was living on, and tried again with the same virtual machine, totally identical except for it&#39;s IP address.    (I had to change A&#39;s IP address because A and B live in different subnets.)<br>
And it worked!  (scratches head)<br><br></div><div>Unfortunately, I can&#39;t leave it on the wrong subnet, that&#39;s not a good long term option.  I havent&#39; read some of the feedback in this thread yet, so I&#39;m going to go back and read some of the replies, but right now, I&#39;ve got zero ideas.<br>
<br></div><div>Mike Bean<br></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 5:37 AM, Jim Bucks <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:jbucks@procci.com" target="_blank">jbucks@procci.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
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    <div>This is a GREAT explanation!<br>
      <br>
      I&#39;ve had some personal experience setting these up, and have had
      more then a few &quot;head scratcing&quot; moments, too.<br>
      <br>
      The worst one was (all 10 Gig MM Fiber):<br>
      <font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">  Sun NAS (4541 -
        Thumper) &lt;-&gt; HP Procurve Switch  &lt;-&gt; Isilon NAS<br>
                                                           &lt;-&gt;
        Windows XP Workstations<br>
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      No matter what I did, the only way I could get this to work
      reliably (and a config that should NOT have worked) was to set the
      Switch, Isilon, and Sun NAS to use Jumbo Frames and to set the
      Windows XP W/S&#39;s to standard Frame sizes (1500).  Any other
      combination resulted in laboriosly slow file (gargantuan HD Video
      Files) transfers / access.<br>
      <br>
      Oh, and tried the file access via both SMB/CIFS and NFS no real
      difference in ether one.<br>
      <br>
      Sometimes you have to just do what works in spite of whether it
      should (or not).<br>
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      Jim<div><div class="h5"><br>
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      On 10/14/2013 08:25 PM, Mark G. Harvey wrote:<br>
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      <div style="font-size:8pt;font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif">Having worked tech
        support on several of jumbo frames calls, here&#39;s what I learned
        <br>
        <br>
        To cover the overhead of Jumbo Frames, the switch &amp; its
        ports have to be set at a higher MTU to pass the additional
        headers added when a packet leaves eth0   Important: every
        interface that handles a packet needs to be set for Jumbo
        Frames.  At the hosts, 9000 ... at the switch globally &amp; at
        each port 9216 <br>
        <br>
               HostOne<br>
        eth0 w/ MTU=9000<br>
                     |   <br>
                 cable<br>
                     |   <br>
        switch w/ MTU=9216 set globally PLUS <br>
        MTU=9216 set at specific ports passing Jumbo Frames<br>
                     |   <br>
                 cable<br>
                     |   <br>
              HostTwo<br>
        eth0 w/ MTU=9000 <br>
        <br>
        Given that it works in your system one way, but not the reverse,
        there could be just one switch port that still has the default
        MTU=1500  <br>
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        Google this:  jumbo frames switch mtu 9216   ... a lot of good
        info there<br>
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        Best of luck on solving the problem.  <br>
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              <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial"> On Monday,
                  October 14, 2013 4:37 PM, Quentin Hartman
                  <a href="mailto:qhartman@gmail.com" target="_blank">&lt;qhartman@gmail.com&gt;</a> wrote:<br>
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                    <div dir="ltr">Well, what do the logical groupings
                      of servers have to do with the network topology?
                      What exactly lies between server A and B? Are
                      there any weird tunnels? Do all the switches
                      support jumbo frames? All the routers correctly
                      translating between networks?
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                      <div>MTU is a fiddly thing, and if every device in
                        the path isn&#39;t correctly configured you will get
                        weird behavior.</div>
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                      <div>QH</div>
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                          On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Mike Bean <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:beandaemon@gmail.com" target="_blank">beandaemon@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
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                                  <div>Well, I don&#39;t mean OU in the
                                    windows sense, I mean logical
                                    groupings of servers.  Clusters.  
                                    I&#39;m trying to get my head around
                                    this, because intuitively, it just
                                    doesn&#39;t make any sense. <br clear="none">
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                                  If you&#39;re coming home from the grocery
                                  store, and you have more groceries
                                  then you can carry, you make multiple
                                  trips to the car.   <br clear="none">
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                                but I don&#39;t think it&#39;s quite that
                                simple.  Think networks aren&#39;t as smart
                                as I think they are,  intuitively,
                                something configured to send as 1500,
                                should be able to receive 1500 only, not
                                necessary 9000, but something that&#39;s
                                configured as 9000 should be able to
                                send and receive as 9000 or 1500.  
                                (scratches head.)<br clear="none">
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                              <div>In actuality, B (9000) can send to A
                                (1500)<br clear="none">
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                              <div>and A (1500) can send to B (9000)<br clear="none">
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                              <div>but if we set A to 9000, it can no
                                longer send to B (9000)<br clear="none">
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                              <div>(scratches head)<br clear="none">
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                              Boy, if you know someone who&#39;s in school
                              looking for a secure job, tell them to
                              become a network person.    REALLY GOOD
                              network people are worth their weight in
                              gold.<br clear="none">
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                                  <div>On
                                    Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 3:26 PM,
                                    Quentin Hartman <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:qhartman@gmail.com" target="_blank">qhartman@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
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                                      <div dir="ltr">By OU, do you mean
                                        broadcast domain? ie - two LANs
                                        connected by a router? If so, it
                                        sounds like you have the
                                        (usually default) MTU of 1500
                                        set on side A, but the 9000 set
                                        on B, and your router isn&#39;t
                                        correctly doing MTU management
                                        when crossing from one to the
                                        other.
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                                        <div>Going the other way works
                                          because the fragments are
                                          already small enough to be
                                          handled correctly at the other
                                          end. The complexity of making
                                          this work reliably is the
                                          primary reason so few people
                                          bother to use jumbo frames,
                                          even though they technically
                                          are better most of the time
                                          anymore.</div>
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                                        <div>The wikipedia article on
                                          MTU is actually pretty good: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximum_transmission_unit" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximum_transmission_unit</a></div>

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                                          QH</div>
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                                            <div>On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at
                                              3:15 PM, Mike Bean <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:beandaemon@gmail.com" target="_blank">beandaemon@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
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                                                          So I&#39;ve been
                                                          scratching my
                                                          head for a
                                                          long time
                                                          trying to
                                                          understand
                                                          this, and it
                                                          makes no sense
                                                          to me.   We
                                                          have to
                                                          discrete
                                                          OU&#39;s.   SCP
                                                          transmissions
                                                          of any real
                                                          size tend to
                                                          fail from A to
                                                          B, but not
                                                          from B to A.  
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                                                        My colleagues
                                                        have been
                                                        arguing that the
                                                        fix is to set
                                                        the MTU at side
                                                        B to 1500.  And
                                                        Lo, and behold,
                                                        when we do, it
                                                        works, increase
                                                        the MTU to 9000,
                                                        and it fails
                                                        again.<br clear="none">
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                                                        <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/14187/why-does-scp-hang-on-copying-files-larger-than-1405-bytes" target="_blank">http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/14187/why-does-scp-hang-on-copying-files-larger-than-1405-bytes</a><br clear="none">

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                                                      What I have
                                                      difficulty
                                                      understanding, is
                                                      if a jumbo frame
                                                      carries, say, 9000
                                                      bytes, and
                                                      hypothetically, if
                                                      it&#39;s a 5,000 bytes
                                                      file + your MTU =
                                                      1500, which means
                                                      you split it up
                                                      into 3
                                                      transmissions.<br clear="none">
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                                                    Same size
                                                    transmission; capped
                                                    packet size,  more
                                                    packets.   So I
                                                    would naturally
                                                    conclude that at an
                                                    MTU of 9000 it could
                                                    get done in 1 what
                                                    an MTU of 1500 would
                                                    do in 3?<br clear="none">
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                                                  (scratches head)<br clear="none">
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