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grateful if a project goes for a full year. Customer budgets rule. <br><br>Unfortunately, some recruiters view the up & down as instability, which shows me they don't understand the nature of business. They take the "HR" view. I started my business to get around this hurdle & reach the business decision maker. Sometimes I succeed; sometimes not. That's life. No one owes me a living. <br><br>Back in 1998, I worked for Raytheon over at Centre Tech. Raytheon acquired that Hughes facility & started layoffs. So after 5 months, I was hunting for work again. I'd consider working there again. But the commute from Lakewood would be brutal! <br><div><span></span></div><div style="display: block;" class="yahoo_quoted"> <br> <br> <div style="font-family: lucida console, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial,
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Someone leaving to better themselves, or move up, or out, or off, has become the normal method of advancement.
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I don't think anyone stays with the same employer for 30 years any longer, so when I'm hiring, as long as I don't see someone jumping every year or two, I don't think much of it. And when I'm looking - I find that being professional is more important than expecting a perfect environment from everyone else. That being said, a friend of mine recently retired from Raytheon - and it's a place I'd work.
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On February 18, 2014 at 11:41 AM Quentin Hartman <qhartman@gmail.com> quoth :
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<span style="font-family:Arial;"> On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 8:04 AM, Mike Bean <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:beandaemon@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:beandaemon@gmail.com">beandaemon@gmail.com</a>> wrote :<br clear="none"> </span>
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</div> We're losing two of our senior guys where I work. The reqs aren't on
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Caveat, these were some pretty big fish leaving our pond, so they'll expect applicants to have a substantial amount of experience. Although I have no idea what it pays. We're a mostly red-hat/VMware/AIX shop. Although there's ALLOT of different kinds of topics around. There's some travel, but it's not usually more then 2-3 times a year.
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Just to reiterate, the jobs aren't public yet; but if we have cluebies who are interested, I'd suggest watching
<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://jobs.raytheon.com/">jobs.raytheon.com</a> for those req numbers probably no later then the end of the week. For specific questions, I'd probably suggest emailing me so we don't spam the list.
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