<div dir="ltr">Red Hat actually does have a vested interest in keeping CentOS around. It keeps people using a RHEL clone without having to pay for support and whatnot on it meaning they maintain that mindshare of people. Then, when you need support you pay Red Hat and convert your unsupported CentOS installs over to RHEL. Red Hat isn't stupid, they know that the majority of people/companies are not going to want to pay for support on everything. VM's come to mind generally, take for instance our environment. We build CentOS for VMs but things like the hypervisor and storage are powered by RHEL. I don't really care if a VM blows up, I'll just restore it from the most recent snapshot and go on with my day, if my storage or hypervisor takes a digger then I want someone to call if I can't figure it out in the first few minutes.<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 12:30 PM, David L. Willson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:DLWillson@thegeek.nu" target="_blank">DLWillson@thegeek.nu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>
<div>Yay! I've found articles supporting both our beliefs!</div><div><br></div><div>Red Hat sells free software:</div><div><a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Hat" target="_blank">https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Hat</a></div><div><br></div><div>The Santa Clause:</div><div><a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Santa_Clause" target="_blank">https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Santa_Clause</a></div><div><br></div><div>:-)</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div style="font-size:85%;color:#575757">Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone</div></div><div><div class="h5"><br><br>-------- Original message --------<br>From: Chris Fedde <<a href="mailto:chris@fedde.us" target="_blank">chris@fedde.us</a>> <br>Date: 12/21/2015 10:02 PM (GMT-07:00) <br>To: CLUE's mailing list <<a href="mailto:clue@cluedenver.org" target="_blank">clue@cluedenver.org</a>> <br>Subject: Re: [clue] CentOS new user experience. <br><br><div dir="ltr">I believe in Santa Clause.<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 9:16 PM, David L. Willson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:DLWillson@thegeek.nu" target="_blank">DLWillson@thegeek.nu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">I believe everything RedHat makes, including RHEL, is free software (GPL).<span><br><br><div><span name="x"></span>--<br>David L. Willson<br>Teacher, Engineer, Evangelist<br>RHCE+Satellite CCAH Network+ A+ Linux+ LPIC-1 Ubuntu_CP SUSE_CLA<br>Mobile 720-333-LANS(5267)<br><a href="http://sofree.us" target="_blank">http://sofree.us</a><br><br>This is a good time for a r3VOLution.<span name="x"></span><br></div><br></span><hr><div><div><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #1010ff;margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px;color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div dir="ltr">Sustaining CentOS lets RH continue to have a strong GPL argument while retaining their market.<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 4:46 PM, David L. Anselmi <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:anselmi@anselmi.us" target="_blank">anselmi@anselmi.us</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span>Romero, Gary wrote:<br>
><br>
> Yeah, this was silly hard to find (seriously, it took me a while since<br>
> its really buried on a busy page): <a href="https://wiki.centos.org/Download" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.centos.org/Download</a><br>
<br>
</span>Thanks all. Glad it's not just me. I would have made my comment to CentOS but there wasn't and<br>
obvious way to do that. I considered filing a bug but that seemed to require an account and it<br>
wasn't certain that the bug tracker covers the web site.<br>
<span><br>
><br>
> It used to be that the DVD ISO button took you directly to the mirrors<br>
> list where you could actually download the full ISO's. During a talk in<br>
> Fort Lauderdale a while back, a RHEL sales rep mentioned that RH had not<br>
> figured out exactly what they were going to do with CentOS other than to<br>
> keep paying the devs to build it in the short term. Based on the state<br>
> of the website, I'd guess that statement still stands.<br>
<br>
</span>So RH is paying the CentOS devs? How bizarre. I'm sure the devs are happy to take the money but<br>
why would RH care? I'd think CentOS would exist even if RH didn't fund it.<br>
<br>
Dave<br>
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