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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Another comment - I've been listening
      to old episodes of this (and slowly, slowly catching up) podcast.
      As the title implies, it's mostly about *BSD, but it does have a
      lot of overlap with other nixes especially and sometimes has some
      interesting tidbits in there - the kind of stuff that would come
      up in CLUE and CLUE-related meetings of the past and I think some
      on here could definitely relate. :)<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">This talk of ZFS reminds me of this
      podcast because ZFS seems to come up a lot. At least one of the
      hosts is a FreeBSD committer; I'm not sure if that includes any
      ZFS-related work, but those two seem to know quite a bit about it.<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.bsdnow.tv/">https://www.bsdnow.tv/</a><br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/27/19 9:33 PM, Shawn Perry wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal">I’m assuming you mean me, so I’ll answer.</p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <li class="MsoListParagraph"
            style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">You can add.
            You should add in the same pattern that already exists to
            maintain performance and redundancy. If you have a 4 disk
            raid 5, you should add 4 more disks in a raid 5 config.</li>
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            <li class="MsoListParagraph"
              style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1">You cannot
              remove yet. 0.8x will allow removing, but only to cover
              accidental adds.</li>
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          <li class="MsoListParagraph"
            style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">You can
            resize up. If you replace a disk with a larger one, you can
            expand the space. If you add more disks, you can use the
            extra space.</li>
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            <li class="MsoListParagraph"
              style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1">You cannot
              shrink or remove.</li>
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            style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">The data
            does not need balancing unless you add disks. To rebalance,
            you would need to re-copy the data. You can use send/recv to
            do that. You’d need to stop things to do this. The actual
            stoppage will be only the amount of time it takes you to
            type “zfs rename &lt;source&gt; &lt;destination&gt;” twice.
            Once to move the old out of the way, once to move the new
            back to the original location.</li>
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            style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">Sorta. You
            can split mirrors in a raid 1 or raid 10 config to drop down
            to a single disk or raid 0, respectively. You cannot reshape
            like md or btrfs.</li>
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          <p class="MsoNormal" style="border:none;padding:0in"><b>From:
            </b><a href="mailto:dennisjperkins@comcast.net"
              moz-do-not-send="true">Dennis J Perkins</a><br>
            <b>Sent: </b>Wednesday, March 27, 2019 9:23 PM<br>
            <b>To: </b><a href="mailto:clue@cluedenver.org"
              moz-do-not-send="true">CLUE's mailing list</a><br>
            <b>Subject: </b>[clue] btrfs vs ZFS question</p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Sean, does ZFS let you do these things?</p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Btrfs lets you do the following without
          stopping anything:</p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">1. Add or remove partitions.  If you remove
          a partition, make sure the</p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">remaining drives have enough capacity.</p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">2. Resize a btrfs system.</p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">3. Balance the data.</p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">4. Switch between single disk, RAID 0, RAID
          1, or RAID 10 configs.</p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Shuffling data around as a result of any of
          these operatins is done in</p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">the background and might take hours.</p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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