[CLUE-Cert] Re:Linux Eductation.Certification Site: www.freeclassware.com

Jim Intriglia jimintriglia at hotmail.com
Sun Sep 17 17:43:29 MDT 2000


From:
       "Jim Intriglia" <jimintriglia at hotmail.com>
To:
       clue-cert at clue.denver.co.us
Subject:
       Re: [CLUE-Cert] Linux Eductation.Certification Site: 
www.freeclassware.com
Date:
       Fri, 15 Sep 2000 22:58:45 GMT

----Original Message Follows----
From: Lynn Danielson <lynnd at techangle.com>
Reply-To: clue-cert at clue.denver.co.us
CC: clue-cert at ta8.techangle.com
Subject: Re: [CLUE-Cert] Linux Eductation.Certification Site:
www.freeclassware.com
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 13:10:34 -0600

Jim Intriglia wrote:




      Came across another Linux education/certification firm that is
      offering
      their CD-ROM/Book course for $950 (special 1/2 off intro rate).





   That's Half Off?!  Week long boot camps cost less than that!


Good price as compared to the education/certification offerings of Red Hat
and GlobalKnowlege ($1500 - $6000). Love to see a ROI argument on their
training and certification programs.

<IMHO>I still have mixed feelings about the cost/benefits of certification
(went through this with Java) in general, as a large segment of the employer
market still is hiring based on $ and short-term needs, not capabilities and
long-term ROI. (With respect to the cost or hiring trained and experienced
IT pro's, ref.: the growing trend of overseas outsourcing, H1-B visa cap
increases and growing investments/interest in college recruitment
programs?)</IMHO>





      Ribbed them about their CD_ROM courseware being Windows-based





   Ribbed them, I wished you'd deboned them entirely and feasted
   on their spineless carcass.


LOL - it's cheaper to hire a Windows (educational) application programmer,
than one that knows Linux. They did acknowledge many flames on this issue,
and are rethinking developing Linux-based CD-ROM's. I suggested that they
make installing the courseware part of the educational material.

I did point out that growing numbers of devlopers such as myself are
dropping Windows altogether, as the cost of maintaining two systems is
prohibitive time/moneywise and perhaps pointless as well. I think that  they
also believe that most of their target audience will have Winders-based
systems at home/work, which is likely.



   I picked up a Solaris certification book which came with a CD_ROM
   and, guess what, it's courseware was MS Windows based.  It amazes
   me that they get away with this crap.  Perhaps the majority of
   people pursuing UNIX/Linux certification really prefer to run
   Windows and the population sample that I'm familiar with is just
   a wild aberration.  I guess as long as they market it well enough
   and people continue to purchase it, they won't understand that
   anything's wrong.


I think they need some serious objective data on who's using what and why,
as well as what the goals are of propsective attendees with respect to Linux
Education/Certification. Difference marking targets out their interested in
this type of program (i.e., those that are windows-oriented developers
working toward Linux, those developing in mixed enviroments, those that do
mission critical Unix/Linix systems development (No Winders desktop/small
backoffice type server stuff; VA LINUX, Penguin Computers, APache, PHP and
scaling up...IBM, Oracle, SUN, HP., Allaire, etc.).



   I'd ask which certification program they're supporting, but I
   really don't care.  Enough ranting.


Good thing about knowing what is desired is that it makes quick work of
evaluating candidates, Yes?





      I am going to continue keeping an eye-out for low-cost (<$250) ...
      Linux education and certification, and post them as I come across 
 >>them





   Thanks Jim.  Keep us posted.


Lynn D.

Will do.


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