The recordings for 3/30, 4/13, and 4/27 are posted to http://mailman.thegeek.nu/~dlwillson/files Also there is a movie of my South African Canadian friend Johan Badenhorst talking about the word Ubuntu, and explaining a little of it's culture. David L. Willson Trainer, Engineer, Enthusiast MCT, MCSE, Linux+ tel://720.333.LANS