[clue-talk] Hello CLUE

[Collins Richey]

On 7/30/06, T. Joseph Carter <tjcarter at bluecherry.net> wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 30, 2006 at 07:15:05PM -0600, Matt Gushee wrote:
> > >Hi, my name is Joseph, and I'm a UNIXaholic.
> >
> > Well, you need a higher power to help with that, don't you?
>
> So far he hasn't really tried too hard to assist with that particular
> problem.  Guess there are others of higher priority.
>
>
> > >Let's see, I've been using Linux since about 1997, was a Debian developer
> > >until I escaped sometime in 2002 (much to the restoration of my sanity),
> > >followed by a brief stint using a heavily modified LFS and then an almost
> > >unrecognizable Gentoo (aside from emerge).
> >
> > Heh-heh. Then you might enjoy the current thread on CLUE-Tech about
> > Debian vs. Gentoo vs. *. Amazingly, it has so far been a civil
> > discussion. But then, CLUE has always been a courteous group. Could it
> > be that we're all adults here?
>
> I'm not so sure I could stay 100% civil in that discussion.  The internal
> structure of Debian really soured me on the project over time.  That and
> the fact that neither or their two stable releases in the past five years
> has worked on my hardware the day it was the images went up on the server.
>
> Some good times were had in the project, and I still know a few people
> from Debian but most of the people I know have either left the project or
> maintained a very low profile so as not to be seen as disagreeing with
> central people too often--something I've never been good at.  ;)

FYI, I'm the curmudgeon who started off the current round of distro
discussions.

Quick summary. I've been through quite a few including Debian and
Gentoo. My first real exposure to the Debian way came with Kubuntu. I
love the general setup and the package manager, and both Debian
Testing and Kubuntu 6.06 worked fine for me until my PC died and I
bought an off the shelf Gateway AMD64. The Kubuntu installer (shlicker
'n schnott) helped me to repartition the WinXP, but I had problems
with sound and nic, so I moved on to Gentoo (old love affair). It
didn't help that an upgrade to the Kubuntu Testing branch (Efty)
fsck'd my system thoroughly.

I'm not too surprised to hear your problems with Debian internals. In
the past most people I knew considered Debian to be "Linux with
ATTITUDE", and there was the time when you could have any desktop
manager you wanted as long as you spelled it GNOME and an ancient
version of that to boot <grin>. I don't think the Ubuntu project has
helped, since Shuttleworth paid bucks to get his hands on some prime
Debian developers.

Welcome to CLUEful Denver.

-- 
Collins Richey
     If you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries
     of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for.