[clue-talk] surveillance cameras

[dennisjperkins at comcast.net]

Much of that area is Centennial, but part of it is in Littleton.  I don't know if Lone Tree has any.

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From: David Rudder <david.rudder at reliableresponse.net>
> I'm not sure these are the same cameras. I can't seem to find the 
> cameras on Dry Creek or other places down south.
> 
> http://www.denvergov.org/tabid/37889/Default.aspx?link=http://www.denvergov.org/
> apps/traffic&title=Traffic%20Cameras
> 
> These cameras seem pretty well placed for traffic and pretty poorly 
> placed for human surveillance. Not that I think this is okay, but it 
> helps to see what they're actually recording.
> 
> 
> On the other hand, there's these guys:
> http://www.digatronsecurity.com/
> 
> They have an excellent product for home and store security, but it does 
> seem like they're applying it to public surveillance. The "our clients" 
> page lists the Colorado government, the TRex project and others projects 
> that would imply that had something to do with the Dry Creek cameras. 
> They also tout their facial recognition software, which gives me the 
> willies.
> 
> I know of these guys because I tried to sell them a product once (an 
> integration between a cash register and a camera, so you can say "show 
> me a video of the guy who gave us a stolen credit card"). They're very 
> nice guys and might even be willing to answer some questions *if you ask 
> nicely*! Please remember that these guys are not the problem, they're 
> the vendor.
> 
> -Dave
> 
> 
> Sean LeBlanc wrote:
> > On 09-17 19:51, Dennis J Perkins wrote:
> >   
> >> Has anyone noticed cameras monitoring our streets?  I don't know how
> >> many streets have them, but County Line, Dry Creek and Mineral have
> >> them.  I imagine that they were purchased with counterterrorism money. 
> >>
> >> We are becoming a surveilled society. 
> >>     
> >
> > I've noticed cameras along Dry Creek,too - those ones up on those poles
> > outside that one school? 
> >
> > Becoming? Maybe it's just a matter of degrees. Surveillance is a booming
> > business. 
> >
> > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11832024/site/newsweek/
> >
> > Oh, and we can ALL get that data soon, too. I doubt the scenario given about
> > tracking an official having an affair is likely though. Some are more equal
> > than others, and I know for a fact that data on judges is off-limits or
> > expunged when it comes to driver records (at least in Colorado), so I
> > imagine the same thing would apply to systems like this. All the data on the
> > hoi polloi is fine, though: 
> >
> > http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2006/07/71436
> >
> > I actually know someone who told me there is a big company up in Ft Collins
> > (forget name) that is/was hiring contractors, and their business is video
> > surveillance, IIRC. He knew because the company also had presence in his
> > area in Cali, and he mentioned it to me as they pay quite well, apparently.
> > Most of the tools were MS stuff, though. I can't remember for sure, but I
> > think some security clearance was needed, too.
> >
> > And, the use of spy satellites is going to "widen", apparently:
> >
> > 
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/15/AR2007081502430_
> pf.html
> >
> > Hopefully, the so-called "oversight" is actually heeded. Ha! Hell, we had
> > FISA, and the President blatantly violated it anyway. The fact that most
> > people just wave(d) that off doesn't give me much confidence in resisting
> > all these other surveillance schemes. Even the Democrats when they got into
> > office didn't seem to do or talk much about it - in fact, IIRC, they took
> > impeachment "off the table". WTF? What kind of opposition party is that?
> >
> > I imagine a lot of systems talked about for/deployed in Iraq will be brought
> > home. I know there was talk of drones being used for civilian purposes,
> > although I don't know if that ever got any legs. Here's a particularly
> > alarming one, although I have no idea what sort of success rate it has/had:
> >
> > http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2003/030701-darpa-track01.htm
> >
> > I cannot imagine that even if we left Iraq that the contractor(s) that
> > built that system wouldn't want to sell that to cities back home. And
> > without clear laws preventing it, it will happen. From the article: 
> >
> >
> >  "The project's centerpiece is groundbreaking computer software that is
> >  capable of automatically identifying vehicles by size, color, shape and
> >  license tag, or drivers and passengers by face.
> >  [...]
> >  Its other projects include developing software that scans databases of
> >  everyday transactions and personal records worldwide to predict terrorist
> >  attacks and creating a computerized diary that would record and analyze
> >  everything a person says, sees, hears, reads or touches."
> >
> > Chilling, no? 
> >
> >   
> 
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