[clue-talk] How do CLUEbies vote?

[Michael Fierro]

On Mon, Sep 24, 2007 at 09:38:00PM -0600, David L. Willson wrote:

> check one of your own goalposts, for example:  Did you ever believe that Iraq ~might~
> have WMD, and that the UN couldn't do squat about it?  You yourself said you were bought

I didn't believe that for a second. Especially since there was video of UN
weapon inspectors being on the ground in Iraq right up until we invaded.
There is one lie right there: Bush was saying that weapons inspectors were
not being allowed in, while there was video proof that they were. 

> but that doesn't make us liars.  No, I'm not equating.  Clinton molested an intern.

Now, normally I wouldn't respond to Clinton-baiting, since he hasn't been
president for 7 years now, and he doesn't factor into this debate at all. But
I have to ask: do you really consider consensual sex between two adults
molestation?

> rid of, I'd give up another year to see a kid, instead of being destroyed, get out of
> his mother's womb, get his chance to breathe, run, and try to make friends.  I'd give

Assuming, of course, that the mother didn't miscarry, didn't have to choose
between her life and the baby, that the child wouldn't be stillborn, or born
with horrible birth defects...

Nothing is black and white.

> person, the one you just made, who is about to die.  It's not OK to choose abortion, but

We'll have to agree to disagree on that point. As I said, I don't like
abortion, and I think we should do whatever we can to minimize them. But it
IS ok for a woman to decide what to do with her own body. Because, when the
chips come down, it is HER body.

> issue.  On this, he followed through, or tried to; our other elected officials stopped
> him.  So, in this case, I lose, but I wasn't manipulated.  Nonetheless, better that I

Are you so certain about that? Bush had 5 years with a Republican majority,
AND he stacked the deck in the Supreme Court. It seems to me that, if he had
really wanted to make abortions illegal, he could've easily done so. Looking
at Bush's record and history, it seems much more likely that Bush knows he
needs to say the right things about abortion to get the anti-abortion votes,
but he isn't actually in a big hurry to act on it, because he knows that
would instantly galvanize the female vote against him.

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