[clue-talk] The stimulus bill

[Nate Duehr]

I disagree.  If enough constituents of the Democrats needed to swing the
vote over to "no" were complaining, the bill (as it sits today) wouldn't get
passed if those Democrats wanted to keep their seats.

Obama can persuade, just as you said, be he can't write the bill and vote on
it.  He only gets veto power in the end game. 

In a perfect world, the so-called "Representatives" would end up putting
together a bill only if the majority of their constituency wanted it, and
only those things we want them to pay for from the government as "stimulus".


What really happens is what you describe though, Obama and other "powerful"
people within the Party in charge (unless there's a dead-lock between the
President and the Congress, which is always the more healthy choice when
voting for anyone who has the power to spend your money you earned and take
as much or as little of it as they desire -- to do that spending), will work
in secret back-room sessions -- completely out of the public eye, present
their bill... and the opposite Party will unanimously vote against it, and
lose.

The problem is really in the voting booth... we're past that for this round.
People voted for a wide-open door for Democrats to spend recklessly, and
here it comes... 

Next time they'll perhaps vote for Republicans to spend recklessly... on
different things.  

"Once a democracy realizes that it can vote itself money..."

The answer is to vote against government spending.  But I don't see that
option on my ballot, unfortunately.

Just over half of the American public got exactly what they voted for.
We'll see if they feel it helped them in 4 years or not...

Exchanging bad personal debt for government debt paid for by the people, is
just a long-term shell game.  And handing money to the banks to LOAN out
just extends the bad personal debt further.  

Credit card lobbyists are clamoring for a 33% usury rate now... they'll find
a way to get the debt-laden "consumer" to pay for both their recovery and to
pay back the government loans, eventually.  That's what banks do.

Nate 

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:clue-talk-bounces at cluedenver.org] On Behalf Of David Rudder
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 6:43 PM
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Subject: Re: [clue-talk] The stimulus bill

As another example, the Congress will pass the new stimulus bill, but
it's obviously Obama's spending.