[clue-talk] possible VMware presentation

[Mike Burton]

Yes! When would you be willing to present? I *think* we already have
December and January covered. Just waiting to hear for sure.

On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 12:07 PM, <dennisjperkins at comcast.net> wrote:

> From your manager's comment, I think that you can give the type of talk we
> want.  Talk
> to Mike Burton about when to give a presentation.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Bean" <beandaemon at gmail.com>
> To: "CLUE talk" <clue-talk at cluedenver.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 1, 2010 9:12:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [clue-talk] possible VMware presentation
>
>
> Let's park the idea for the moment.  I don't have a good way to reach
> Mike Burton, but it still sounds like this is a sore spot, point of some
> discussion, and I think I can speak with some confidence to the effect
> that we (VMware) don't particularly want to go where we're not invited.
>
> To illustrate, here's the last quote I got from my manager on the
> subject
>
> "No problem.  I would say that I've seen the presentations from the SEs
> and they are semi technical, not sales pitches.  More like feature sets
> and how products and features work.  The LUG needs to clarify what they
> want.  But it's up to them to take the next step as we're likely able to
> provide whatever they want, assuming that isn't something silly like
> kernel architecture for example."
>
> Mike Bean
>
> (Mike Burton, on the off chance you see this, please let me know
> beandaemon at gmail.com; we might be able to take some of the discussion
> off the mailing list.  Quit spamming people quite so much = )
>
> On Tue, 2010-11-30 at 20:43 -0700, David L. Willson wrote:
> > Mike Burton is the speaker coordinator. If you can't get a hold of
> > him, Dennis Perkins is club president. December is already booked. I
> > don't know what's booked for January, February, etc...
> >
> > David L. Willson
> > Trainer, Engineer, Enthusiast
> > RHCE MCT MCSE Network+ A+ Linux+ LPIC-1 NovellCLA UbuntuCP
> > tel://720.333.LANS
> > Freedom is better when you earn it. Learn Linux.
> >
> > ----- "Mike Bean" <beandaemon at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > At the risk of throwing fuel on the fire, my manager did get back to
> > me today.  He said the sales guys are "willing to participate in the
> > LUG, depending on the details", and he asked me for a specific
> > point/person of contact they could contact to discuss it.   So, is
> > there a specific person/means they should contact??
> > >
> > > In terms of the debate, as to what's appropriate, and what isn't, I
> > can only speak on my own behalf, but I would think they're likely not
> > going to do it out of the generosity of their hearts.  Even if they
> > don't give the full-on sales pitch, they'll likely just see it as an
> > excuse to network among like minded people, which, as long as I'm
> > being honest, is one of my many reasons I went to my first CLUE
> > meeting a while ago, so I can't really point a finger at that.  (no
> > moral highground).
> > >
> > > I would just advocate a principal of honesty, that we describe the
> > group, and let them decide what kind of presentation they want to
> > give.  (perhaps nudge them towards matters technical.)   Once that
> > decision is made,   make that information public.  On Day X, VMware
> > reps will be hearing doing X presentation.   If people aren't
> > interested, or would be uncomfortable, (shrug), they don't have to
> > come.
> > >
> > > For my part, I can only offer to do what I can to help both sides of
> > the aisle.  If there are ESX/ESXi questions they can't answer, that I
> > can, I promise not to remain shy.
> > >
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