[CLUE-Tech] linux & broadband

Fri Aug 10 15:50:15 MDT 2001

Well I read and respond to my email in order so I read that he had a Linux box that
he wanted to subjugate to his Windows box, but most people do it the other way
around, and that's what I suggested, plus I added a few reasons why most people
prefer to do it that way.  It turns out that most all of the following responses
(written before mine) suggested the same configuration for more or less the same
reasons.  Then I got blasted for expressing my opinion about Windows.  But that is
my opinion, so that's where it stands.

Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier wrote:

> On Fri, 10 Aug 2001, Cyberclops wrote:
>
> > I don't know how to set up a Linux or a Windows network, but I did offer an
> > explanation of what I have picked up from various club meetings, both here, and
> > in Honolulu.  My own personal experience with Windows is that it's absolutely
> > one of the most miserable O$'s that anyone could dream up.  In contrast, my
> > Libranet Linux 1.9.1 is a dream machine closely resembling Macintosh in ease of
> > operation.  What's wrong with expressing that?
>
> The "explanation" you gave had absolutely NO useful information other
> than your opinion. He wasn't asking for opinions, he was asking "how
> do I do this?" The comment about "thought control" was really uncalled
> for.
>
> Are you just spoiling for a pissing match, or could you just let it drop
> now?
>
> Zonker
>
> > David Willson wrote:
> >
> > > No sir, I am into answering the friggin' question;  it is a more effective
> > > method of promoting Linux, and if by some chance an opportunity arises
> > > within the context of the question to bash a company I hate, I might do
> > > that, but ...
> > >
> > > Your answer seemed, and still does seem, to be pure propaganda.  I read it
> > > three times before making my very light criticism.
> > >
> > > My unasked-for-advice to anyone attempting to promote Linux is to get
> > > comfortable with the knowledge that most people start out wanting to "add
> > > Linux" to their computing lives, not "break the Windows habit".  Approach
> > > them in a manner consistent with their goals, and you will be very
> > > successful in promoting Linux in their lives.
> > >
> > > This fellow is a perfect example.  You may feel that in offering him your
> > > valuable opinion, you are saving him configuration time or wasted effort
> > > with the Windows box and encouraging a more appropriate, to your mind,
> > > configuration; however, he claims to be "new to Linux" and clearly stated
> > > his initial goal.  My impression of the situation is that if he were to
> > > attempt, right now, to set up Linux as a gateway for his Windows box, he
> > > will not only fail, but he will also send up frustrated and Linux will have
> > > become "frustrating" by association.
> > >
> > > His self-set goal is reasonable, so rather than pushing him toward a goal
> > > six times as difficult to reach, an effective Linux-promoter, and a helpful
> > > person, will just help him reach it.
> > >
> > > Oh, and I'm sorry for sending HTML from Outlook Express last time, and for
> > > enclosing more opinion than information this time.  That last makes me
> > > something of a hypocrite, but I did want to answer the question fully.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Cyberclops
> > > To: clue-tech at clue.denver.co.us
> > > Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 7:40 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [CLUE-Tech] linux & broadband
> > >
> > > Are you into thought control?
> > > David Willson wrote:
> > >  Cyberclops, that answer was less than useful.  Try the exploratory
> > > approach, instead:Himanshu, what version of Windows do you have there?  Are
> > > you planning to add to your network, or stick with two machines for now?
> > > How many Network Interface Cards (NICs) do you have available?You will need
> > > three to do what you are attempting:Two for your "gateway" box: One for the
> > > 'Net, one for your LAN.One for your client box.  Your LAN can be a hub, if
> > > you're planning to add machines to it, or a crossover cable.You probably
> > > should consider using the Linux box as the firewall/gateway, but your
> > > configuration is possible, and relatively simple.  Configure your Linux box
> > > as dynamically as possible.  This should be the default condition, when you
> > > have installed the NIC.  Next, set up "Internet Connection Sharing" or
> > > "Routing and Remote Access" on the Windows box.  Which one you use will be
> > > determined by which version of Windows you have.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Cyberclops
> > > To: clue-tech at clue.denver.co.us
> > > Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 6:21 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [CLUE-Tech] linux & broadband
> > >  I'm of the opinion that most people do it the other way around.  They use
> > > Linux as the master connection and Windows as the slave.  As I understand
> > > it, they make this decision based on Linux's superior firewall capabilities,
> > > and more overall versatility in connecting to different operating systems.
> > > In short, Windows as a multifaceted operating system is less than optimal.
> > > Himanshu Sharma wrote:
> > > Hi,I am new to Linux. I am trying to configure it so I can connect to the
> > > internet. I have another machine running windows and connected to the net
> > > via a cable modem. I want to use the windows machine as a gateway and
> > > network the linux box to this machine. I am completely clueless on how to go
> > > about doing it. Any help would be appreciated. thanks,himanshu
> > >
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On Thu, Aug 09, 2001 at 04:33:37PM -0600, JL Kottal wrote:
>Could someone(s) please compare and contrast the bridging and the PPP 
>modes for a Cisco 675 router, vis-a-vis the advantages and 
>disadvantages, bandwidth, security, etc.?

In bridging mode, the 675 doesn't have an IP, so doing SNMP, telnet, or
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It boils down to:

   If you want to do web/telnet/snmp management *AND/OR* handle multiple IP
   networks on the ethernet side, you *HAVE* to run PPP.  We have 4 IP
   networks associated with our DSL line, so bridging mode is not an
   option.

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I'm not sure if anyone suggested this method, but here's another way to do
it altogether: I use it for a DSL connection, but I think it should work
fine for a cable modem as well. If it's done this way, it won't matter which
machine is the gateway.

Get an ethernet hub. Plug the output from the cable modem into the uplink
port. Then plug the machines into the hub. That's it.

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Willson" <DLWillson at thegeek.nu>
To: <clue-tech at clue.denver.co.us>
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 9:03 AM
Subject: Re: [CLUE-Tech] linux & broadband

> No sir, I am into answering the friggin' question;  it is a more effective
> method of promoting Linux, and if by some chance an opportunity arises
> within the context of the question to bash a company I hate, I might do
> that, but ...
>
> Your answer seemed, and still does seem, to be pure propaganda.  I read it
> three times before making my very light criticism.
>
> My unasked-for-advice to anyone attempting to promote Linux is to get
> comfortable with the knowledge that most people start out wanting to "add
> Linux" to their computing lives, not "break the Windows habit".  Approach
> them in a manner consistent with their goals, and you will be very
> successful in promoting Linux in their lives.
>
> This fellow is a perfect example.  You may feel that in offering him your
> valuable opinion, you are saving him configuration time or wasted effort
> with the Windows box and encouraging a more appropriate, to your mind,
> configuration; however, he claims to be "new to Linux" and clearly stated
> his initial goal.  My impression of the situation is that if he were to
> attempt, right now, to set up Linux as a gateway for his Windows box, he
> will not only fail, but he will also send up frustrated and Linux will
have
> become "frustrating" by association.
>
> His self-set goal is reasonable, so rather than pushing him toward a goal
> six times as difficult to reach, an effective Linux-promoter, and a
helpful
> person, will just help him reach it.
>
> Oh, and I'm sorry for sending HTML from Outlook Express last time, and for
> enclosing more opinion than information this time.  That last makes me
> something of a hypocrite, but I did want to answer the question fully.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Cyberclops
> To: clue-tech at clue.denver.co.us
> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 7:40 AM
> Subject: Re: [CLUE-Tech] linux & broadband
>
>
> Are you into thought control?
> David Willson wrote:
>  Cyberclops, that answer was less than useful.  Try the exploratory
> approach, instead:Himanshu, what version of Windows do you have there?
Are
> you planning to add to your network, or stick with two machines for now?
> How many Network Interface Cards (NICs) do you have available?You will
need
> three to do what you are attempting:Two for your "gateway" box: One for
the
> 'Net, one for your LAN.One for your client box.  Your LAN can be a hub, if
> you're planning to add machines to it, or a crossover cable.You probably
> should consider using the Linux box as the firewall/gateway, but your
> configuration is possible, and relatively simple.  Configure your Linux
box
> as dynamically as possible.  This should be the default condition, when
you
> have installed the NIC.  Next, set up "Internet Connection Sharing" or
> "Routing and Remote Access" on the Windows box.  Which one you use will be
> determined by which version of Windows you have.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Cyberclops
> To: clue-tech at clue.denver.co.us
> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 6:21 AM
> Subject: Re: [CLUE-Tech] linux & broadband
>  I'm of the opinion that most people do it the other way around.  They use
> Linux as the master connection and Windows as the slave.  As I understand
> it, they make this decision based on Linux's superior firewall
capabilities,
> and more overall versatility in connecting to different operating systems.
> In short, Windows as a multifaceted operating system is less than optimal.
> Himanshu Sharma wrote:
> Hi,I am new to Linux. I am trying to configure it so I can connect to the
> internet. I have another machine running windows and connected to the net
> via a cable modem. I want to use the windows machine as a gateway and
> network the linux box to this machine. I am completely clueless on how to
go
> about doing it. Any help would be appreciated. thanks,himanshu
>
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