[CLUE-Tech] Re:/cli/suks

[Kevin Cullis]

You're absolutely correct, Linun/UNIX may NOT be for the home user
because it hand holds them and takes care of msot everything that is
needed.  However, as a former Mac user it wasn't until someone SHOWED me
what I could do with Linux AND I had a project which I NEED to do that
has given me the potential of accomplishing my task at hand and the
power which is available. For example, Mac OS X is begin released
Saturday, March 24th, and it is truly BSD UNIX with a CLI in a window. 
I talked with an ISP yesterday and he stated that ALL of the UNIX users
he knows are drooling over OS X BECAUSE of what it offers, UNIX power
with a fantastic GUI: i.e. the best of both worlds.

As far as intuitive, I'd agree that the CLI is not.  But from my
perspective, I like both and each has their place in my toolbox to
accomplish what I need. Yes, Linux has a way to go to make the GUI
easier and more intuitive, but things are progressing in that
direction.  The sad part is that most Linux/UNIX users should encourage
GUI development to match the Macs GUI but don't.  For those system
adminstrators, how would like to administer Macs via UNIX in Mac OS X
and the users all use the GUI in their day to day job?  That's why I
think Apple is on the verge of hitting a home run with OS X because of
what it offers: UNIX administration and GUI ease of use.  Now imagine
it's three years down the road and I've purchased OS X for my home.  I
want to do some heavy editing with a CLI, I now can do that while up to
today, it would have been very difficult to do.

We can't stop progress, but it doesn move at a snails pace sometimes.

Kevin

Cyberclops wrote:
> 
> Obviously it has its place, but I don't see it as the most desirable
> interface for a home personal computer.  I was pointing up the fact that
> it's prone to the possibility of error due to mistyping, not to mention
> the fact that it usually requires an extensive reference book which in
> turn requires the user to be familiar with cryptic syntax.  I would like
> to see the recursive switch added to the permissions dialog box on
> graphical file managers in Linux.  How to make Linux user friendly on a
> home computer requires a great deal of thought and discussion.  There is
> a huge difference in administering a server array that has no GUI
> installed and a home PC that is being operated by users who could care
> less about recompiling their kernel.  While the CLI may be powerful,
> it's not intuitive.
> 
> "Jeffery C. Cann" wrote:
> >
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> > On Thursday 22 March 2001 10:16, Cyberclops wrote:
> > > This is one of the reasons why the /cli/suks/imo
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > You must never have had to make the same edit change in 3000 documents.  Try
> > to do that without a CLI and you'll get carpal tunnel from using your mouse
> > for the next 30 hours.  With a simple for loop and the CLI: I can do it with
> > one line of code:
> >
> > $ for file in `ls /dev/src/*`
> > > do
> > >       sed -e "s/foo/bar/; ... "
> > >done
> >
> 
> > Using PERL, I can do the same thing with one command:
> >
> > $  perl -pi -e "s/foo/bar/;" /dev/src/*
> >
> > Possibly you are not aware of the potential and power of the CLI and that is
> > why you do not like it.  You may also want to try another type of shell.
> >
> > My 0.02
> > Jeff
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