[CLUE-Tech] KDE/Gnome is crashing for no reason...

[Joe Linux]

Why don't you try ICE and see if you still get the crashes.  I know that 
one of the reasons I choose ICE is it almost never crashes.

mgushee at havenrock.com wrote:

>On 7 Mar 2003 at 8:42, Joe Linux wrote:
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>>I should point out that I run ICEwm.  Does that use QT?
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>Probably not. It didn't used to.
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>>I can run both 
>>KDE and Gnome applications.
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>That means you have the KDE and GNOME libraries installed, which is 
>in general a completely separate issue from which window manager you 
>use.
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>Let's see if I can concisely express how this stuff fits together. 
>KDE and GNOME (like MS Windows) are *desktop environments*. The main 
>point of a desktop environment is to provide a desktop metaphor and a 
>set of apps and utilities with a common look and feel. To that end, a 
>desktop environment will be based on a particular GUI toolkit; KDE 
>uses Qt and GNOME uses GTK+. What a GUI toolkit provides is mainly a 
>set of widgets (buttons, text fields, scrollbars, etc.) and an event-
>handling framework.
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>Now, as I understand it, the window manager is strictly speaking 
>independent of all of the above--at least it is under X11, with its 
>loosely-coupled client-server architecture. At the most basic level,
>a window manager does just what its name says: manages windows. And 
>the X11 idea of a window is independent of any GUI toolkit: it's 
>really just an area of the screen allocated to a client application. 
>You can see all this for yourself by running X with no desktop 
>environment and no window manager. I'm not suggesting you'd want to 
>do that on a regular basis (it's a very, well, Spartan interface), 
>but it's an interesting experiment.
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>It may be, though, that certain window managers blur those 
>distinctions a bit: they may be designed to exploit the features of a 
>particular desktop environment, and they may include components such 
>as menus or launchpads that depend on a particular GUI toolkit 
>(strictly speaking, those may be client applications rather than 
>parts of the window manager, but if you need them in order to run the 
>window manager, the distinction is rather academic). That seems to be 
>the case with kwm (or whatever KDE calls its default window manager 
>these days), and perhaps with Sawfish also.
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>Hope that makes sense to you.
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>--
>Matt Gushee
>Englewood, CO USA
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