[CLUE-Tech] Re: was pine and pico, now: Fedora

[black at galaxy.silvren.com]

Slight change of subject here...

I am in the throes of moving stuff from an old Mandrake box to Fedora.
Here's a few observations I had.

1. xmms doesn't support mp3's due to licensing worries, if you want that
then uninstall the rpm and compile from source.

2. the update support is ok (FREE!!!), and fails grabbing packages a lot.
If you get a message about a packages signature not matching, do NOT
continue, start over. If you continue it tries to install the package
anyway (which obviously must fail, only half the rpm is there) however it
will flag it as a successful update. Anyone else seen this?

3. tcl.h is NOWHERE in any of the rpm's, even though tcl8.3 is. I went
through each cd with "ls /mnt/cdrom/Fedora/RPMs | xargs rpm -qlp >>
~/discfiles.txt" and grepped the whole list for it. I wonder how much
other include file stuff is missing. Wonder why they didn't install
tcl8.4, its been out for ages.

On Thu, 5 Feb 2004, Greg Knaddison wrote:

> I don't know about licensing in the future and such, but I think that you'll be
> very very happy when you type into your shell:
>
> $ nano
>
> For pine I have no recommendation.  It was also dropped due to security concerns
> and "long term maintenance concerns" or something like that.  I did read that
> there is a format file (or something like that) for mutt which makes mutt act
> like pine.  Maybe that's your Nirvana.  Mutt seems like the most popular
> non-pine text based email client.
>
> Here's a pretty exhaustive though slightly dated review:
>
> http://groups.google.com/groups?q=UNIX+email+software+survey+faq+%222+of+3%22&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&as_drrb=b&as_mind=12&as_minm=5&as_miny=1999&as_maxd=5&as_maxm=2&as_maxy=2004&selm=mailfaq.2_1006754401%40ferret.ocunix.on.ca&rnum=1
>
> If your reader screws up that URL do a google groups search for
> UNIX email software survey faq "2 of 3"
>
> Greg
>
> Quoting Mike Staver <staver at fimble.com>:
>
> > I'm trying to use Fedora Core 1 today... and I'm very disappointed to
> > see that Pine was dropped from the release due to some kind of license
> > dispute. (I swear, if all the liceneses would just get along, linux
> > would be sooo much better!) Anyhoo, I now would like to find a
> > replacement for both command line email and my text editor.  Pico was
> > great - I learned it 11 years ago on Solaris, and I never looked back.
> > I know of emacs and vi, but vi seems hard to use for me.  Without
> > starting a flame war, can someone please let me know which email client
> > and text editors you think are the best... and most likely to not get
> > dropped from a future Red Hat / Fedora release?  Thanks.
> > --
> >
> >                                  -Mike Staver
> >                                   staver at fimble.com
> >                                   mstaver at globaltaxnetwork.com
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