[clue-tech] clue-tech Digest, Vol 57, Issue 6

Philipp Giddings phil9x at gmail.com
Wed Dec 8 11:36:33 MST 2010 

Missed it last night and I won't be here next week.
See you in January

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>   1. Re: Meetings (David "Barahon" Willson)
>   2. Re: Meetings (dennisjperkins at comcast.net)
>   3. Re: TCP/IP and the Bufferbloat Problem (Collins Richey)
>   4. Re: Meetings (Collins Richey)
>   5. Re: SME Server (Collins Richey)
>   6. Re: SME Server (David L. Willson)
>   7. Re: TCP/IP and the Bufferbloat Problem (Jim Ockers)
>   8. Re: TCP/IP and the Bufferbloat Problem
>      (dennisjperkins at comcast.net)
>   9. Small Linux distros (Bill Smith)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 07:41:53 -0700
> From: "David \"Barahon\" Willson"<DLWillson at TheGeek.NU>
> Subject: Re: [clue-tech] Meetings
> To: "CLUE technical discussion"<clue-tech at cluedenver.org>
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> Meetings are on second tuesday. Yesterday was first tuesday. This post
> seems
> to be evidence of the unified list might be more useful.
>
> Sent via David's Droid X.
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> -----Original message-----
> From: Philipp Giddings <phil9x at gmail.com>
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> From: dennisjperkins at comcast.net
> Subject: Re: [clue-tech] Meetings
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> Maybe. It looks more like someone didn't realize when December started. I
> started out this week thinking we were meeting this week myself.
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> Sent: Wednesday, December 8, 2010 7:41:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [clue-tech] Meetings
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> Meetings are on second tuesday. Yesterday was first tuesday. This post
> seems to be evidence of the unified list might be more useful.
>
> Sent via David's Droid X.
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> From: Philipp Giddings <phil9x at gmail.com>
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> Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 10:03:45 -0600
> From: Collins Richey <crichey at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [clue-tech] TCP/IP and the Bufferbloat Problem
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> On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 7:24 PM, Jed S. Baer <cluemail at jbaer.cotse.net>
> wrote:
> > Fascinating read. Even if I didn't understand a lot of it.
> >
> >
> https://gettys.wordpress.com/2010/12/06/whose-house-is-of-glasse-must-not-throw-stones-at-another/
> >
>
> Most of us have the general impression "lots of buffers - a good
> thing", but obviously this is not always the case.
>
> A second vote for "I didn't understand a lot of it".
>
> --
> Collins Richey
> ? ?? If you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries
> ? ?? of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for.
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 10:06:28 -0600
> From: Collins Richey <crichey at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [clue-tech] Meetings
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> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 8:58 AM,  <dennisjperkins at comcast.net> wrote:
> > Maybe.? It looks more like someone didn't realize when December started.?
> I
> > started out this week thinking we were meeting this week myself.
> >
>
> I get confused, too. If we get a unified list, it would be simple for
> an admin to send out a notice first of the month and thus avoid the
> confusion.
>
> --
> Collins Richey
> ? ?? If you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries
> ? ?? of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for.
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 10:10:07 -0600
> From: Collins Richey <crichey at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [clue-tech] SME Server
> To: CLUE technical discussion <clue-tech at cluedenver.org>
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> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 7:43 AM, David "Barahon" Willson
> <DLWillson at thegeek.nu> wrote:
> > Does it do LDAP putts the box? What's on the feature list?
> >
>
> Any RH based distro has ldap client and server, and I would imagine
> that Ubuntu based servers provide this as well. Since LDAP requires a
> lot of setup, I doubt that this would be complete "out of the box".
>
> --
> Collins Richey
> ? ?? If you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries
> ? ?? of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for.
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 09:19:32 -0700 (MST)
> From: "David L. Willson" <DLWillson at TheGeek.NU>
> Subject: Re: [clue-tech] SME Server
> To: CLUE technical discussion <clue-tech at cluedenver.org>
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> > <DLWillson at thegeek.nu> wrote:
> > > Does it do LDAP putts the box? What's on the feature list?
> > >
> > Collins:
> > Any RH based distro has ldap client and server, and I would imagine
> > that Ubuntu based servers provide this as well. Since LDAP requires a
> > lot of setup, I doubt that this would be complete "out of the box".
>
> I'm so glad you were able to read what I meant through my phone's
> "correction" of my use of the slang word "outta".
>
> As I understand SME Server, it does exactly that: LDAP, Samba, blah-blah,
> right outta the box, no rocket (or LDAP) scientist needed. You just pick
> your site-uniqueness information. I'm saying this without having tested it,
> though. I sure wish someone would stand up to do a demo...
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 10:51:15 -0700
> From: Jim Ockers <ockers at ockers.net>
> Subject: Re: [clue-tech] TCP/IP and the Bufferbloat Problem
> To: CLUE technical discussion <clue-tech at cluedenver.org>
> Message-ID: <4CFFC593.80901 at ockers.net>
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> Hi,
>
> Collins Richey wrote:
> > On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 7:24 PM, Jed S. Baer <cluemail at jbaer.cotse.net>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Fascinating read. Even if I didn't understand a lot of it.
> >>
> >>
> https://gettys.wordpress.com/2010/12/06/whose-house-is-of-glasse-must-not-throw-stones-at-another/
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Most of us have the general impression "lots of buffers - a good
> > thing", but obviously this is not always the case.
> >
> > A second vote for "I didn't understand a lot of it".
> >
> >
>
> I read this and it's curious that he never mentions anywhere what the
> MTU size was and whether changing it had any effect on data transfer
> rates or buffering efficiency.
>
> --
> Jim Ockers, P.Eng. (ockers at ockers.net)
> Contact info: http://www.ockers.ca/pason.html
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> Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 18:23:14 +0000 (UTC)
> From: dennisjperkins at comcast.net
> Subject: Re: [clue-tech] TCP/IP and the Bufferbloat Problem
> To: CLUE technical discussion <clue-tech at cluedenver.org>
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> I agree. I could see how a smaller RTU could cause extra work by forcing
> received data to be chopped into smaller segments for a smaller RTU size. I
> don't remember if there is an issue when going from smaller to larger packet
> size. Otherwise, I'm not sure what negative affect buffers would have.
>
> I could see movie downloads having a big impact. Or a slug of spam going
> thru. Or a switch that resets for some reason.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Ockers" <ockers at ockers.net>
> To: "CLUE technical discussion" <clue-tech at cluedenver.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 8, 2010 10:51:15 AM
> Subject: Re: [clue-tech] TCP/IP and the Bufferbloat Problem
>
> Hi,
>
> Collins Richey wrote:
>
> On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 7:24 PM, Jed S. Baer <cluemail at jbaer.cotse.net>
> wrote:
>
> Fascinating read. Even if I didn't understand a lot of it.
> https://gettys.wordpress.com/2010/12/06/whose-house-is-of-glasse-must-not-throw-stones-at-another/Most of us have the general impression "lots of buffers - a good
> thing", but obviously this is not always the case.
>
> A second vote for "I didn't understand a lot of it".
> I read this and it's curious that he never mentions anywhere what the MTU
> size was and whether changing it had any effect on data transfer rates or
> buffering efficiency.
>
> --
> Jim Ockers, P.Eng. ( ockers at ockers.net )
> Contact info: http://www.ockers.ca/pason.html
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> Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 11:33:28 -0700
> From: Bill Smith <wpsmithii at msn.com>
> Subject: [clue-tech] Small Linux distros
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> I need some feedback about small linux distros, I don't need a lot of the
> stuff that the big ones come with. I'm going to use the computer for a
> weather station. Anybody have a favorite? I'm not good enough for command
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