[clue] Impressions on 11.04?

[Torren Beitler]

Linus runs his own distro when I seen him last year, and Richard uses his
own I believe, only met him once though. Ubuntu=/=debian. I was talking
about Ubuntu being locked down, not debian. Still locked down, linux is just
a shell pretty much.

On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 8:33 AM, Mike Bean <beandaemon at gmail.com> wrote:

> OK!  Granted, the notion that things are locked down seemed a little
> counter intuitive.  To my mind, the most you could really accuse canonical
> of is heavy handed marketing.  If it's truly locked down, where are all the
> spins coming from? How many distros are ubuntu runoffs?  Besides, I try to
> follow listen to FOSS news to some degree, and I'm fairly confident that if
> anyone ever knocked on canonical's door, asked for the source code, and was
> told no, there'd be allegations of them violating GPL on slashdot in less
> then an hour.
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 12:30 AM, CP Constantine <conrad at 1211.net> wrote:
>
>> On 4/30/2011 2:17 AM, Mike Bean wrote:
>> > I'd be curious to hear more about that if perhaps we could take the
>> > discussion of the grid.  (It isn't my intention to sidetrack the thread,
>> > I just have a hard time imagining that distro-slamming could be a huge
>> > problem with people applying for linux jobs, I'd be curious to hear
>> > about it.)
>>
>> not much to talk about really, linux is just a kernel, the rest is
>> userspace, and nothing is written in stone. If you don't understand
>> that, you likely don't understand the underlying mechanics of LD.so
>> loading, init sequences, etc, that you're gonna lack proper linux
>> troubleshooting skills.
>>
>> Imagine if a windows admin told you "yeah, I can't work on systems that
>> have office installed! screws up too much stuff!"
>>
>> Linux is Linux is Linux. even accepted standards such as /usr, /etc,
>> /lib are purely there because people agree upon them. you could build
>> (from source) a linux system that used your own completely bizarre
>> filesystem structure, and... it would work.
>>
>> So, why do I think it's a negative mark? because good sysadmins solve
>> problems, they don't introduce artificial ones.
>>
>> (and I personally dislike RedHat-derivatives default setup a lot, it
>> doesn't stop me making anything I need to work on them, work. I got
>> started with linux kernel 0.97.. at this point, there really isn't much
>> difference between any distro for me... remember the old Unix maxim -
>> "Everything is a file" - once you accept that, the rest is easy).
>>
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