[clue] [POLITICS] The rights to of the people are gone.

[David L. Willson]

Below is the description of the CLUE list, from this page: http://cluedenver.org/mailman/listinfo/clue, by the much-revered Dave A. Hanson: 

"The clue list is our forum for discussions about GNU/Linux and Free Software. Ask questions, receive answers, and generally discuss topics related to Free Software and computing. 
"Job openings or desires are OK but please don't post attachments. Please provide contact info or links so that people can pursue their interest off the list." 

Therefore, I retract my earlier statement. Non-relevant postings are not OK. When a post author is asked to relate his post to Free Software, he should do so plainly. Trolling can result in being kicked. Persistent trolling can result in being banned. 

Will Sterling, Crawford Rainwater, and M Paul Webb were right, and I was wrong. I am sorry for my mis-leading post.

There is no longer a CLUE-sponsored channel for off-topic discussions. Take them ... somewhere else.

David L. Willson
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----- Original Message ----- 

> My understanding was that the great merge would have encompassed
> clue-talk, as well.

> On Dec 4, 2011, at 8:13 AM, M Paul Webb < hsechmvt at yahoo.com > wrote:

> > Obviously, that last post by Torren was blatant abuse of this
> > group's
> > objectives. However, sometimes political issues do become involved
> > in how we use our computers, and right now, the possibility of
> > censorship is a legitimate concern -- but not as a call for
> > violence. At times, mere administrator discretion is called for in
> > controlling the e-mails.
> 

> > Here is how I state the rule on my forum.
> 
> > <<< Posting with intent to derail and harass conversation, or to
> > promote an agenda subverts the objectives of the forum. At times it
> > is difficult to distinguish between trolling and genuine
> > disagreement. However, as a general rule, administration reserves
> > the right to ban any participant or to remove any post or thread,
> > by
> > discretion and at any time, when it appears the purpose of the
> > forum
> > and its rules and guidelines have been compromised.>>>
> 

> > From: Crawford Rainwater < crawford.rainwater at linux-etc.com >
> 
> > To: clue at cluedenver.org
> 
> > Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 6:38 PM
> 
> > Subject: Re: [clue] [POLITICS] The rights to of the people are
> > gone.
> 

> > Torren and others on the list:
> 

> > This is related to Linux and Open Source which is the main
> > topic/purpose of this user group's email list how I do inquire?
> 

> > I am requesting the list admins actually start administrating the
> > list some if this is going to become common place. Being a former
> > admin that retired, I find this personally questionable as to being
> > appropriate for a general list here (maybe the old CLUE-Talk list
> > at
> > best).
> 

> > Thanks in advance.
> 

> > --- Crawford
> 

> > ----- Torren Beitler < torren.beitler at gmail.com > wrote: -----
> 
> > >
> 
> > > Who here is deeply disturbed by the fact that you can now be
> > > held...
> 

> > <...snipped...due to subject matter being questionable regarding
> > this
> > list...>
> 
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